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-everytime I see Dean is Purgatory I want to cry...I can't even imagine what he went through. Certainly it isn't something you just sit and want to talk about. I understand why he hasn't opened up yet.
-I think Sam is terrified to lose control. His reaction when Dean left was panic. Panic to lose Dean again. I still think it must have been horrible for him to lose his brother.
-Benny and Castiel little rough convo with Dean stuck in the middle reminded me of the confrontation JOhn and Sam had back in Dead's Men Blood. So many feelings!!!
-"even if it kills all the three of us"...awww Dean...*cries*
-Shallow note: Ty Olson eyes are impressive.
-"Vampirates" LOL!
-I feel sad for Benny, seriously sad, because at the end of the day he didn't choose to become a monster...
-Parallel: Benny did everything for the nest, exactly like Dean did for his family. It was good to see a little insight about Benny's life. Then he fell in love and got punished for it.OMG..heartbreaking.
-Dean was about to text Sam...
-Poor Benny.
-Sam come on, just go..don't ask questions. Bad timing. Btw I am interested in watching Dean/Sam relationship developing as I have never been in the last two seasons.
-Yes, Sam is in panic.
-"my wayward son"....awwww....
-Humans kill more humans than vampires...statistically. Oh Cas.
-Amelia and Sam bonded because of their own personal stories. Both of them lost someone and both of them were trying to adjust. I liked that this flashback cut into the actual time when Sam was getting anxious because Dean doesn't pick up his mobile.
-OMG OMG Benny with Andrea broke my heart and the look Dean and Benny exchanged when Dean killed her? Cherry on top of my feelings. There's a lot to say about this episode and the feelings that it gave me, but I am afraid I am not able to write down my thoughts.
-Did Dean good saving Benny or is it something he is going to regret? Having a monster with an existential crisis free to ride the world might be dangerous.
-Here we go, the look on Dean's face said it all. He is ready to be massacrated, figuratevely speaking.
-One note about the acting: I really don't like Jared playing angry!Sam. Never liked it actually.
I loved this episode. It was different from what I was expecting but it gave us some hints to better understand what did happen in the year Dean spent in Purgatory.I think this episode can be depicted as an episode about relationships and their meaning for all the characters. Lots of paralled that would be interesting to analyze a little more (whenever I'll be able too)
I am a happy fangirl so far!
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Date: 2012-11-01 02:26 pm (UTC)I also have and feel great empathy for Benny. He felt his humanity flowing through him again because of the love for a woman, and now he is torn between two worlds that he feel he can't have. You are right, he never wanted to be a monster, hints back to last week's episode, and now he is just trying to figure out what is next. Given that Benny didn't go along with Andrea and want that life again gave me high hopes that Benny will stay strong and not let Dean down.
I didn't care for angry Sam either. I hadn't thought of him being worried over not being able to reach Dean as a panic that he might lose Dean again. But like I pointed out in my own review, I thought Sam's indignation about him being angry with Dean going into a vamp's nest alone is uncalled for. Sam wants normal and has told him that he can still hunt on his own, so here Dean is supposedly hunting on his own and Sam gets all up in Dean's case. You know Sam, you can't freak out over it now, when that is what you are pushing for your brother to do anyway. What will you do when you are living your normal life and Dean is in a vamp's nest again? I don't like that.
We will finally get the blow-up with the brothers next week. Oh wow! That aims to be epic. I also think I remember them saying at a Con or in an interview somewhere that Dean and Sam have another really good knock-down, drag out fight. Given as we saw one of the boys throw a punch, I wonder if that is this next episode.
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Date: 2012-11-05 11:03 am (UTC)The details are very telling sometimes.
He felt his humanity flowing through him again because of the love for a woman, and now he is torn between two worlds that he feel he can't have.
I think Benny is kinda stuck, feeling like he doesn't belong to any world anymore.
You are right, he never wanted to be a monster, hints back to last week's episode, and now he is just trying to figure out what is next. Given that Benny didn't go along with Andrea and want that life again gave me high hopes that Benny will stay strong and not let Dean down.
I hope so. I want them to be loyal to each other, because friendship can be stronger than any issues.
But like I pointed out in my own review, I thought Sam's indignation about him being angry with Dean going into a vamp's nest alone is uncalled for.
I agree. Not only uncalled for, but also wrong because Dean was calling him for help while fighting vamps and Sam was acting like a mad girlfriend.
You know Sam, you can't freak out over it now, when that is what you are pushing for your brother to do anyway. What will you do when you are living your normal life and Dean is in a vamp's nest again? I don't like that.
I agree. Also what I deeply dislike in Sam this year is the total lack of emphaty he shows towards Dean.
Let's see what happens this week.
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Date: 2012-11-01 07:04 pm (UTC)I wish the ep had less sam's stupid flashbacks cause they were boring and showed sam in even worse light.
But OMG! Purgatory flashbacks!!!!! That was the reason for me to watch and i was happy to see my happy trio fiding their footing! I wish they'd make the whole season about Purgatory adventuries!!!
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Date: 2012-11-05 11:05 am (UTC)I'd love to see Purgatory all year!
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Date: 2012-11-08 07:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-11-01 11:41 pm (UTC)LOL I don't know how but all the interactions between Sam and Dean made me cry like crazy during this episode even if they weren't mean to be funny.
I don't think Sam was panicking. More like worrying and being lke "wtf is going on"? but yeah I agree that for sure he wants to make sure he doesn't lose Dean in a puff ever again.
ops, okay, maybe in the car he was panicking yeah. XD
I'm glad Sam got to meet Benny and to know about him somehow. I wasn't happy with the secret and I wondered how long they would drag that for... now Sam is gonna be pissed, understandably. I'm curious to see how Dean will explain the whole thing and how Sam will "adjust".
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Date: 2012-11-05 11:08 am (UTC)He was panicking...in the way a Winchester does :)
I am curious too. Next episode is almost here!
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Date: 2012-11-02 01:47 am (UTC)i'm still not too interested in Sam's story re Amelia, but i absolutely adored his interaction with Dean this ep, so invested in Benny already, and my heart keeps breaking for Cas, and especially for Dean ;____;
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Date: 2012-11-05 11:09 am (UTC)Seriously this character is growing on me fast and I just hope they won't screw up with him.
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Date: 2012-11-12 11:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-11-02 09:08 pm (UTC)everytime I see Dean is Purgatory I want to cry...I can't even imagine what he went through. Certainly it isn't something you just sit and want to talk about. I understand why he hasn't opened up yet.
Oh my, yes. Brings me to tears every time. Oh Dean! Yeah, I can totally understand why he doesn't want to open up about it yet. Talk about a severe experience.
I think Sam is terrified to lose control. His reaction when Dean left was panic. Panic to lose Dean again. I still think it must have been horrible for him to lose his brother.
Interesting point. I agree that Sam definitely panicked at the possibility of losing Dean. The irony being he was just saying to Dean he wants to leave the hunting life once the big hunt to lock all the demons away in Hell is over. I guess I'm just getting whiplash from first Sam's lack of reaction and now his overreaction and panic/anger. If it is a form of PTSD, which I think it is, it needs to be addressed and explained and shown better. Because Dean's PTSD makes sense given what he has been through and survived. Sam's not so much.
Benny and Castiel little rough convo with Dean stuck in the middle reminded me of the confrontation JOhn and Sam had back in Dead's Men Blood.
Mind meld!! I thought the exact same thing! Except Dean is no longer willing to be batted around. He was very much in charge in that scene even as the two older beings in the group talked down to him.
There was also a little moment I caught in that discussion that has me wondering...I could have sworn when Benny says take away the fangs and the fur, he was born human that when Castiel's glances at him, he was jealous. Whether that was due to fear of being trapped in Purgatory without getting out because he's an angel or because Cas actually wishes he were human and not an angel, it certainly has my interest. Of course, Castiel could also be jealous of the rough, but obvious understanding Benny and Dean have at that point even though they bickered and sniped at each other like we saw later in the episode. It actually reminded me of how Dean treated Castiel a first and how it took time before Dean fully gave his trust.
Parallel: Benny did everything for the nest, exactly like Dean did for his family. It was good to see a little insight about Benny's life. Then he fell in love and got punished for it.OMG..heartbreaking.
Heartbreaking indeed! And an interesting observation. Benny parallel's both brothers so far, what with Sam leaving and having a life at college with Jess and then Jess' murder by the demons.
Did Dean good saving Benny or is it something he is going to regret? Having a monster with an existential crisis free to ride the world might be dangerous.
no more dangerous than an ANGEL having an existential crisis, me thinks. Cas kinda took the cake on that front with the mess he made.
Personally, I love that Dean saved Benny and that it wasn't something he didn't really think about. Benny is his friend, and once Benny truly became that he earned Dean's devotion and support, not to mention determination to save/rescue him. Its all instinct for Dean. Which is why I love him so much. He didn't even think twice about saving Benny--in saving him from Purgatory and in this episode when he brought the blood and when he joined Benny in hunting down his maker. It was simply: what do you need? I've got your back.
Dean!!!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3 <3
Its that 'friend thing' as Benny called it.
tbc...
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Date: 2012-11-05 11:32 am (UTC)Third, have you watched TVD? Because I need to vent about the last episode.
I guess I'm just getting whiplash from first Sam's lack of reaction and now his overreaction and panic/anger.
I think that Sam also finds himself in a new place because Dean has never left him to make something on his own. It's like he is realizing that he is not Dean's only focus anymore.
If it is a form of PTSD, which I think it is, it needs to be addressed and explained and shown better. Because Dean's PTSD makes sense given what he has been through and survived. Sam's not so much.
THIS!
He was very much in charge in that scene even as the two older beings in the group talked down to him.
Like "I'm the leader, shut the f... up". LOL!
Whether that was due to fear of being trapped in Purgatory without getting out because he's an angel or because Cas actually wishes he were human and not an angel, it certainly has my interest.
Very subtle but I think it was there. I guess Cas still thinks that if Benny has been human once, he shares things with Dean that he can't.
Of course, Castiel could also be jealous of the rough, but obvious understanding Benny and Dean have at that point even though they bickered and sniped at each other like we saw later in the episode. It actually reminded me of how Dean treated Castiel a first and how it took time before Dean fully gave his trust.
I think it was a mix of both. He is jealous because of Dean/Benny rl and because he has never been human.
Heartbreaking indeed! And an interesting observation. Benny parallel's both brothers so far, what with Sam leaving and having a life at college with Jess and then Jess' murder by the demons.
You rock, girl!
no more dangerous than an ANGEL having an existential crisis, me thinks. Cas kinda took the cake on that front with the mess he made.
Amen.
Benny is his friend, and once Benny truly became that he earned Dean's devotion and support, not to mention determination to save/rescue him. Its all instinct for Dean. Which is why I love him so much.
You and me both. It's Dean. It's how he shows that he cares.
LOVE DEAN!!!
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Date: 2012-11-05 05:43 pm (UTC)Third, have you watched TVD? Because I need to vent about the last episode.
Sorry I haven't been around Val. Things have been...bumpy in real life. I'll send you an email.
Anywho, I'm glad you liked my long review, lol! :) I can go for ages about Dean and SPN. :D Sadly I have not watched the latest TVD episode. I caught two minutes of the dance and when Bonnie comes in 'waking' Elena and then some of the Stefan/Klaus shenanigans with poor Jeremy having to draw the tattoo. I wasn't interested so I clicked it off. Too much Stefan and Klaus for me. But I'll comment on your TVD post in a bit.
I think that Sam also finds himself in a new place because Dean has never left him to make something on his own. It's like he is realizing that he is not Dean's only focus anymore.
This is definitely a factor, but I also think Sam was confused because Dean was gone and in Purgatory for a whole year. Why in the world would Dean need a personal day? All he has is Sam! Or so Sam thinks.
I'm still very upset and call bullcrap on Sam having no one and not going to, at least, Sheriff Jody Mills after Dean disappeared. I was reading bardivoice's commentary on 8.03 and how it was in character for Sam, how he never wanted the hunting life, and how he really did find normal because there were no demons or anything manipulating him. She brought up her personal experiences re her ailing mother and that is something I can understand via grandmothers and how putting one's life on hold to care for them is difficult. BUT--I felt like she failed to really consider Kevin. It would not have been obsession to try and find Kevin, imo. Kevin was a sixteen year old boy, a prophet/tablet reader, and should not have been abandoned. At the very least Sam should have called up a hunter or two in Bobby's phone book like Mackey or Lee, told them a bit about what went down and that Sam himself needed to step back from the hunt for a while, and asked them to keep an eye out for the boy. Then they could have been on the lookout for him and maybe Kevin wouldn't have spent a year alone, hiding and on the run. It wasn't like he got to go home after he escaped!
Does Sam have the right to want a normal life, to leave hunting behind? Yes, without a doubt. Bardicvoice mentioned a job like being a fireman or operator who helps save lives deciding to retire and/or change jobs. Does that make the person selfish? No. But Sam is in a different position based on his choices thus far shown, imo, because this isn't a firemen job or anything. There was no one to take Sam's, or Dean's, for that matter, place when they're gone. I mean if the released clip is any idea of the coming episode, Dean is going to get called out AGAIN for disappearing and leaving the other hunters in the wind. GAH! Its not like he slipped out to go down to a bar and got drunk for a year! He was in Purgatory!!! He had no say in ending up there because he was taking out the head Leviathan so they wouldn't eat everybody!! When will someone acknowledge that and, I don't know, say thank you??? And Garth trying to take Bobby's place and plying on Dean about Bobby belonging to everyone and looking super sad/pouty...geez, Garth, it has only been a year so you had time to grieve and properly set up an information network of your own. Dean didn't have time to properly grieve the second time cause he wound up in Purgatory! GRRR!
*takes deep breath* Ooopps, that ended up a bit more ranty then I intended. o__0
Back to my point, Sam has a right to step away from the life, but he is also responsible for ensuring someone capable and willing can fill the giant hunting shoes left behind by himself at the least, and those who have died in the hunting community. The older generation is all but dead, and Sam and Dean's generations has generally consisted of idiots or wound up dead too. Whose out there protecting people from monsters and so on?
*sighs*
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Date: 2012-11-08 11:28 am (UTC)Part 2 -because I talk too much, lol
Date: 2012-11-02 09:09 pm (UTC)Meh, me either. It was fine in the first few years, but about mid-season 5 it started to really grate because come on, grow up Sam!! And Jared is such a naturally cheerful and happy person that I think its hard for him to act angry and upset, imo. Its just his natural personality. And Jared's a sweetheart that said, very sweet and funny. Unfortunately, it just doesn't translate for angry/grumpy!Sam in his acting.
I loved this episode. It was different from what I was expecting but it gave us some hints to better understand what did happen in the year Dean spent in Purgatory.I think this episode can be depicted as an episode about relationships and their meaning for all the characters. Lots of paralled that would be interesting to analyze a little more (whenever I'll be able too)
Ditto!! Looking forward to the analysis of the parallels between the characters and the twists associated with their relationships with one another. :)
Re: Part 2 -because I talk too much, lol
Date: 2012-11-05 11:33 am (UTC)I want your help...LOL!
Re: Part 2 -because I talk too much, lol
Date: 2012-11-05 04:56 pm (UTC)Hee, and I'm more than happy to help! :D
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Date: 2012-11-05 01:46 pm (UTC)And, wow, I really didn't get any panic or concern on Sam's part in this episode, and one of the big problems is how Jared falls so easily into the nostril-flaring bitching-facing routine he does whenever he's mad, sad, annoyed, confused, hungry, constipated ... blah, blah, any and every myriad of emotion he's supposed to be portraying at the time. It's lazy acting.
But in this episode in particular, it's pretty clear from the beginning that, despite what even Dean says he wants, the two men are not enjoying being in each other's company or being reunited again. Whatever Dean was looking for in his relationship with Sam hasn't been there in years, and he needs to give up on that whole fantasy.
All I got from Sam during the phone calls and his going to meet Dean at the docks was exasperation and complete annoyance. I don't think Sam honestly worries for Dean anymore, except that if something happens to Dean this time, Sam would be forced to continue the mission that he wants nothing to do with all by himself. He wouldn't be able to slough off his duties like he did the previous year, because too many people know what's going on this time.
So Sam needs Dean to be focused on the job so they can complete it as fast as possible, so Sam can leave Dean in the dust for good. Considering Sam has said point blank that he wants Dean to hunt without him, it's impossible for me to believe he's suddenly concerned about Dean's welfare when he does hunt alone.
If Jared was supposed to be showing me concern or some realization that Sam really doesn't want Dean to hunt alone, again, he fails miserably because of his one go-to acting choice.
I loved the insights into Benny's vamp life prior to being sent to Purgatory, and, of course, everything that happens with he and Cas in Purgatory - the true camaraderie the three men enjoyed. But seeing as dejected as Benny is at the end, maybe realizing resurrection isn't all it's cracked up to be, my big fear is that he's going to purposely backslide and do something bad in the hope that Dean will be forced to kill him again and send him back to Purgatory where he knows Andrea and his "father" are anyway. :(
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Date: 2012-11-08 11:30 am (UTC)I think the problem is in Jared's acting because I do thingk Sam's rage comes from the fact that he was lost when Dean "died" and now he can't handle him coming back because this Dean is different with him. This Dean is willing to let him go.
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Date: 2012-11-08 11:59 am (UTC)Unfortunately I did see last night's episode and I'm sorry I did because it was exactly what I was afraid of. Glass is writing Garth, who is his fav character, as a fan-ficcy raging one-dimensional Mary Sue, for starters. And, worse, because Glass was Sera Gamble's right hand man when she was there, and believed everything she did that Sam was the only true hero and Dean was just a supporting character to kick around, he gave us another Fallen Idols where, once again, Sam doesn't have to feel bad about anything he did - or did NOT do - and he gets to tell Dean just how little he thinks of him.
Again, if Jared is supposed to show me any shades or layers here, he fails miserably, and there are no excuses anymore. I got from Sam the same thing I've been getting from him since the epic fail of Fallen Idols, and most of the series - pure resentment and disdain of his brother. I feel and see no love, concern, and certainly no appreciation for Dean.
I positively loathe the Dean and Sam relationship, because I don't think it is one. I do think Dean needs to give up on the fantasy that his brother likes him and wants him with him - or even alive. Dean needs to move on.
I'd be happier if both brothers paired up with new partners, or they let Sam retire as another Bobby and play house with Amelia and just take phone calls from now on, and only occasionally crossed paths with Dean if the job required.
Dean and Sam are simply too toxic together.
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Date: 2012-11-12 11:25 am (UTC)Dean and Sam are simply too toxic together.
Right now, they are.
Let's hope they can set things right.