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carcrash_heartz. Wish you an awesome one :)
First: I LOVED LOVED LOVED Dean and Sam in this episode. My love for Dean has reached new levels and I adore, seriously, Castiel.
Second: The episode for me was about love, broken promises, broken dreams and broken boys. It wasn't about Dean or Sam, since this is still an issue in the fandom.
It was about Dean showing how much his inner strenght, his values, his beliefs, his will are all still there and how much he loves his brother. It was about Dean that is special in his own way. So special that God tested him, so special that God wanted him out of Hell. And if the only reason was stopping save to save the world, how can you tell is not enough? It's much more than just Sam. So much more.
It was about an awesome angel, Castiel who, the more come closer to Dean, the more becomes human.
It was about a boy who can't decide what to do with his life, because he knows he can be dangerous but he desperately wants to be good.
-nice recap with a lot of MOTW and some mythology.
-that first scene...just gross. I could barely watch at 6 in morning.
-"I will never"...oh Dean, you don't believe yourself :)
-Research and the boys talking about the case in a motel room. It so classic and a very good feeling. Weird to talk about normalcy but that is theirs.
-"Bring back memories?"...yes Sammy, bad ones. It scares me how Sam seems to have forgotten Dean was in Hell. I mean it would be the first thing I would think about, even if Dean kept them hidden.
-Poor Metallicar.
-Oh boys you were so right...that bitch was the witch.
-I am evil...I love hurt!Dean.
-She broke the seal. It's scary...
-Zombies??? I guess Dean doesn't scare easily.
-Dean&Castiel and Uriel&Sam scenes were awesome.
-Castiel doesn't envy Dean...this is scary.
WELCOME BACK CASTIEL, I've missed you a lot!!!
I shouldn't say it but Sam's reaction was hilarious. He was meeting an angel and he was sorry because he pointed the gun at him, which was perfectly normal. He was so embarassed and happy. Hopeful too.
Castiel broke the magic telling him what he did but I think he was right. He made it clear, they know what is going on with him and that they don't like it. Castiel is in a war and he can't care about hurtng the feelings of people.
Meanwhile I loved the confidence he seems to have with Dean and the fact that they saved the boys lives. I also liked how Dean kinda stopped Castiel when he was talking to Sam. Uriel is so more detached than Castiel. He's there for accomplish a job and he will. Castiel is more human in a way.
Uriel just look at the bigger picture. Dean and Sam are caught in the middle.
"you are supposed to show mercy"...I thought Sam could have reacted that way. All his faith can be destroyed or at least questioned. Sam has this idea of angels as good ones and if you think about it, it's normal, but not smart coming from Sam. With all he knows, all his researches, all he has learned from Dean about Castiel, he should know that there is a war and that casualties can happen. Sacrifice some, to save the most.
I see his reasons: he sees what he has always believed in falling and he feels like he's losing his safe harbor. If angels can let people die, what can he do with his demons blood? He can't be better than them.
About Dean, Castiel knows how to push him...talking about John and the orders. Dean's reaction. But I loved that he stood up and said they can disobey, that killing people was just wrong. Like in JUS. Btw Dean should have learned from what happened there. He did the right thing, but it didn't work. It was useless.
He's inner hero, he's sense of justice come out in all its intensity. He knows the angels care about him. He uses this weapon.
"Waste me, kill me because I won't go away.We can do this".Guess I couldn't love him more in that scene.
Jensen delivered those last lines perfectly just using his voice. PERFECT.
When the boys came back in the car and talked about the angels, it was just big brother and little brother. It was Dean reassuring Sam and was Sam asking Dean to reassure him. It was comfortable. Sweet.
Clearly Uriel and Castiel are different. They want the same things but they are ready to act differentely. Castiel is more like Dean.
They want to save Dean. Uriel wanted to drag him away. They care about him because he has potential. I don't think it's just because of Sam. There's more. I want to know :)
I liked that Sam talked to Dean first about using powers again and obviously Dean told him he didn't have to since they are dangerous.
Of course Sam won't listen, playing exactly the game he shouldn't play but can he really be blamed for this?.
I don't think so. Guess he didn't have any chance.
Dean's look when he saw Sam using the powers and Sam looking back at him...*cries*.
All the promises Sam made were broken, all the hopes Dean had were shattered. They are both broken.
Uriel is powerful and I liked his interaction with Sam. So now we know that they can kill him anytime, just not now. Because he has been useful so far.
And thanks God, Uriel made Sam think about Dean and what he remebers from Hell, because as I said, it bothers me that he hasn't already done.
A TEST??????????
The angels, God or whoever, tested Dean?
I loved how Dean thought he failed because he didn't obey and I was happy to hear Castiel telling him that he misunderstood.
What I love in Dean is this strong feeling that saving people is the most important purpose of his life. I love he gave Sam the credit for what he did even if he paid a high price.
Castiel? I am in total love with him. Thanks to Dean he is having doubts, questions...just like Dean.
Bottom down, Dean is not alone, Castiel can relate to him. Castiel might not be perfect, but he is there.
And Sam? He is not alobe either, because no matter what, Dean is there, for him.
Blamesmilla02 for this.
Dean's heart is big. Bigger than everything. So big that even Castiel is starting to see things in a different way. Castiel who is supposed to be more perfect because he is an angel. Castiel, who is actually thinking Dean can know better than him.
I mean Castiel is getting in touch with his humanity, a humanity he couldn't have because he is supposed to be perfect, he is supposed to be more perfect than human beings but Dean...Dean and his own humanity are showing Castiel something.
Castiel acknowledged that Dean did the right choice. He was proud and content of Dean.
To me it's even clearer that angels want Dean for Dean. Not because they need him to stop Sam. They want him to do it, they don't need him to do it.
There's a big difference.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
carcrash_heartz. Wish you an awesome one :)First: I LOVED LOVED LOVED Dean and Sam in this episode. My love for Dean has reached new levels and I adore, seriously, Castiel.
Second: The episode for me was about love, broken promises, broken dreams and broken boys. It wasn't about Dean or Sam, since this is still an issue in the fandom.
It was about Dean showing how much his inner strenght, his values, his beliefs, his will are all still there and how much he loves his brother. It was about Dean that is special in his own way. So special that God tested him, so special that God wanted him out of Hell. And if the only reason was stopping save to save the world, how can you tell is not enough? It's much more than just Sam. So much more.
It was about an awesome angel, Castiel who, the more come closer to Dean, the more becomes human.
It was about a boy who can't decide what to do with his life, because he knows he can be dangerous but he desperately wants to be good.
-nice recap with a lot of MOTW and some mythology.
-that first scene...just gross. I could barely watch at 6 in morning.
-"I will never"...oh Dean, you don't believe yourself :)
-Research and the boys talking about the case in a motel room. It so classic and a very good feeling. Weird to talk about normalcy but that is theirs.
-"Bring back memories?"...yes Sammy, bad ones. It scares me how Sam seems to have forgotten Dean was in Hell. I mean it would be the first thing I would think about, even if Dean kept them hidden.
-Poor Metallicar.
-Oh boys you were so right...that bitch was the witch.
-I am evil...I love hurt!Dean.
-She broke the seal. It's scary...
-Zombies??? I guess Dean doesn't scare easily.
-Dean&Castiel and Uriel&Sam scenes were awesome.
-Castiel doesn't envy Dean...this is scary.
WELCOME BACK CASTIEL, I've missed you a lot!!!
I shouldn't say it but Sam's reaction was hilarious. He was meeting an angel and he was sorry because he pointed the gun at him, which was perfectly normal. He was so embarassed and happy. Hopeful too.
Castiel broke the magic telling him what he did but I think he was right. He made it clear, they know what is going on with him and that they don't like it. Castiel is in a war and he can't care about hurtng the feelings of people.
Meanwhile I loved the confidence he seems to have with Dean and the fact that they saved the boys lives. I also liked how Dean kinda stopped Castiel when he was talking to Sam. Uriel is so more detached than Castiel. He's there for accomplish a job and he will. Castiel is more human in a way.
Uriel just look at the bigger picture. Dean and Sam are caught in the middle.
"you are supposed to show mercy"...I thought Sam could have reacted that way. All his faith can be destroyed or at least questioned. Sam has this idea of angels as good ones and if you think about it, it's normal, but not smart coming from Sam. With all he knows, all his researches, all he has learned from Dean about Castiel, he should know that there is a war and that casualties can happen. Sacrifice some, to save the most.
I see his reasons: he sees what he has always believed in falling and he feels like he's losing his safe harbor. If angels can let people die, what can he do with his demons blood? He can't be better than them.
About Dean, Castiel knows how to push him...talking about John and the orders. Dean's reaction. But I loved that he stood up and said they can disobey, that killing people was just wrong. Like in JUS. Btw Dean should have learned from what happened there. He did the right thing, but it didn't work. It was useless.
He's inner hero, he's sense of justice come out in all its intensity. He knows the angels care about him. He uses this weapon.
"Waste me, kill me because I won't go away.We can do this".Guess I couldn't love him more in that scene.
Jensen delivered those last lines perfectly just using his voice. PERFECT.
When the boys came back in the car and talked about the angels, it was just big brother and little brother. It was Dean reassuring Sam and was Sam asking Dean to reassure him. It was comfortable. Sweet.
Clearly Uriel and Castiel are different. They want the same things but they are ready to act differentely. Castiel is more like Dean.
They want to save Dean. Uriel wanted to drag him away. They care about him because he has potential. I don't think it's just because of Sam. There's more. I want to know :)
I liked that Sam talked to Dean first about using powers again and obviously Dean told him he didn't have to since they are dangerous.
Of course Sam won't listen, playing exactly the game he shouldn't play but can he really be blamed for this?.
I don't think so. Guess he didn't have any chance.
Dean's look when he saw Sam using the powers and Sam looking back at him...*cries*.
All the promises Sam made were broken, all the hopes Dean had were shattered. They are both broken.
Uriel is powerful and I liked his interaction with Sam. So now we know that they can kill him anytime, just not now. Because he has been useful so far.
And thanks God, Uriel made Sam think about Dean and what he remebers from Hell, because as I said, it bothers me that he hasn't already done.
A TEST??????????
The angels, God or whoever, tested Dean?
I loved how Dean thought he failed because he didn't obey and I was happy to hear Castiel telling him that he misunderstood.
What I love in Dean is this strong feeling that saving people is the most important purpose of his life. I love he gave Sam the credit for what he did even if he paid a high price.
Castiel? I am in total love with him. Thanks to Dean he is having doubts, questions...just like Dean.
Bottom down, Dean is not alone, Castiel can relate to him. Castiel might not be perfect, but he is there.
And Sam? He is not alobe either, because no matter what, Dean is there, for him.
Blame
smilla02 for this.Dean's heart is big. Bigger than everything. So big that even Castiel is starting to see things in a different way. Castiel who is supposed to be more perfect because he is an angel. Castiel, who is actually thinking Dean can know better than him.
I mean Castiel is getting in touch with his humanity, a humanity he couldn't have because he is supposed to be perfect, he is supposed to be more perfect than human beings but Dean...Dean and his own humanity are showing Castiel something.
Castiel acknowledged that Dean did the right choice. He was proud and content of Dean.
To me it's even clearer that angels want Dean for Dean. Not because they need him to stop Sam. They want him to do it, they don't need him to do it.
There's a big difference.
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love S4!
Date: 2008-10-31 07:15 am (UTC)I have just loved this season! This ep was really scary. Sam fighting the demon was as great as it was sad, and did his eyes turn black? And how sad that Cas didn't shake his hand right away. ::Hugs Sammy::
Dean telling the angels what's up! I love Dean! I'm worried about the future--God wants Dean to lead his army and YED wanted Sam to lead his army. Poor Sam and Dean.
What I didn't like was the lack of research on the writers part, particularly the mispronunciation of Samhain and saying that Samhain was a demon and that there were animal sacrifices to gods or demons. Show always seems to get it wrong when they include witches in the script. It's the only thing that I don't like(now that Rubela is gone.)
Re: love S4!
Date: 2008-10-31 08:20 am (UTC)Yes poor boys...but you know in this episode there was so much, so much!
Yeah I guess they don't do much research but I think it was because the main focus was another. It was the boys.
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Date: 2008-10-31 07:26 am (UTC)Dean afraid and respects Castiel whom i also missed sooooo much!
Uriel is different and i wonder about how he will deal with the boys in the next episodes.
Happy Halloween :D
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Date: 2008-10-31 08:21 am (UTC)And I love you are always ready to squee.
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Date: 2008-10-31 08:38 am (UTC)SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Date: 2008-10-31 07:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-31 08:23 am (UTC)I mean I don't care about the plot. I just cared about the boys and the angels and all the implications.
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Date: 2008-10-31 08:27 am (UTC)PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: 2008-10-31 10:24 am (UTC)And, CASTIEL!!!
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Date: 2008-10-31 10:57 am (UTC)Castiel is made of win!
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Date: 2008-10-31 12:49 pm (UTC)Love you.
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Date: 2008-10-31 01:54 pm (UTC)No dimmi non sono meravigliosi insieme??? Non vorresti vedere uno spin off con Dean e Castiel???
Non è fantastico il nostro angioletto così dubbioso e il non è awesome il nostro Dean dal cuore grande????
LI AMO!!!
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Date: 2008-10-31 02:05 pm (UTC)dio dio non farmici pensareeee ♥
fantastici!!! mamma mia quando Dean consola Sam e soprattutto la scena finale!
oddio sto leggendo...ho quasi scritto le stesse cose tue! XDD
...ciò non mi meraviglia :D
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Date: 2008-10-31 03:08 pm (UTC)Devo leggere il tuo post.
Mammamamamamamammmmma...lia doro!
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Date: 2008-10-31 05:58 pm (UTC)devo dire la verità,io non sono una gran fan di castiel(non uccidetemi please lol,so di essere l'unica)però mi è piaciuto in questo episodio
sammy e l'incontro con gli angeli è stato tristissimo,sam era così felice e loro lì freddi ,più uriel che castiel che ha comunque cercato il contatto umano con la stretta di mano,ma è stato comunque un gran momento recitato alla grande per non parlare della parte finale o del momento in cui sam esorcizza con la mente:(come dici tu forse non aveva scelta
il momento in cui se ne stavano in macchina è stato dolcissimo,un vero momento tra fratelli
in sintesi un gran bell'episodio.jensen fantastico come sempre,la scena finale con castiel è stata una delle più belle anche se vederlo seduto li al parco da solo mi ha messo un po' di melanconia
e povera impala!!!
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Date: 2008-11-01 10:57 am (UTC)C'è così tanto di epico e mitologico nella sua umanità che per me oscura tutto il resto :)
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Date: 2008-11-01 11:10 am (UTC)"C'è così tanto di epico e mitologico nella sua umanità che per me oscura tutto il resto :)"
esattamente,concordo al 100%
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Date: 2008-11-01 04:59 pm (UTC)*hugs*
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Date: 2008-10-31 07:32 pm (UTC)but seriously....
Sam was all happy and honorated to meet the angels even if Dean clearly told me that one of the reasons why they are there is to stop him (maybe in a drastic way).. and it's kind of sad that they didn't come up to his expectations... it's true that they fight all kind of evil stuff but if you get to know that angels exist and that there is actually a "good" side, of course you think about them like generous, kind and pityful people...
moreover.. why do they have to be so hard on him? what was he supposed to do? The knife wasn't working.. the demon would kill him, his brother and summon the hell....
okay, the powers are not good but he is using them to make good and when he has no other choice!!!
And I liked the he talked about that with Dean first too.
:)
*hugs*
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Date: 2008-11-01 10:54 am (UTC)Guess the problem with the angels and Sam is that none in all his life has ever been son hard on him telling him in the face the truth.
Sure Dean maybe did, but Sam knew Dean did out of love.
The angels are strangers and they really look at the bigger picture. Maybe heraing from them the truth, would help him more than millions sweet words.
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Date: 2008-10-31 08:21 pm (UTC)"hugs"
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Date: 2008-10-31 10:47 pm (UTC)Non devo dire altro!Questa frase contiene un significato così assoluto e potente che non poso dire altro!My baby!♥♥♥
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Date: 2008-11-01 10:50 am (UTC)sisisisisis, è proprio così e chi non lo capisce..beh problema suo.
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Date: 2008-11-03 12:53 am (UTC)I'm still not sure about Castiel. I don't dislike him, I think he's a good and interesting character and Misha Collins is doing a great job playing him, but something is keeping me from completely embracing him. I just don't know what it is.
From the looks of things so far I can't keep the thought that Dean's toughest decision in the coming months is gonna be choosing between Sam and the world. I have to stop thinking about this. It's gonna make me sad.
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Date: 2008-11-03 08:29 am (UTC)About Castiel, I don't doubt who he is...I mean I don't even care if he is an angel or not but I do love what he is doing to Dean. I love that their realtionsip is even. They start from the same point. Dean doesn't have to worry about him, he doesn't have to take care of him. Dean is free with Castiel.
Plus I want an evolution in Dean/Sam rl. Sam must stop to take Dean for granted. I think castiel works in this direction too.
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Date: 2008-11-08 02:42 am (UTC)Probably this was one of the reasons why God took Dean out of hell, he knew all the love he could show for others and the will and determination to help people in need. He will have a greater role in this war than we imagined.
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Date: 2008-11-08 09:20 am (UTC)