SPN is still able to make me sigh...in a good way :)

[x5vale]

HAPPY WEEKEND FLIST!

Some SPN thoughts under the cut.

JENSEN IS THE PRETTIEST MAN ALIVE!!!



-SPN still makes me laugh...just look at Dean's face when he Annie had a thing with Sam too.

-I am kinda annoyed to hear Bobby says balls every two seconds.

-I like Annie. Female hunters kick ass! Of course she dies. All kickass!female die...

-Dean in a shower, Dean in a shower...SPN you should do it more often!

-Grey shirt..tight...*thud*

-"Bobby"...awww Dean...*cuddles him*

-What the hell is Whitman? He's powerful. It's impressive.

-Bobby learned fast to grab and move objects.

-Poor Victoria...

-"she just got ghost killed"..always the best lines. I should collect Dean and Damon best lines in one post and put it as a sticky one :)

-"I want a Hunter funeral"...*sighs*

-So even Annie didn't have anything but her works. One again canon states out loud that hunters have not a happy life. Looks like they are condemned to be alone. I wish Dean and Sam could have a different destiny. I wish they could choose.

-The boys can see Bobby and the look on their faces tells me exactly why Bobby needs to go. The boys need to let him go. To mourn him, but to accept that he is dead.

-"I wanted to stay" and the boys response...I saw pain and sorrow. I saw realization of what Bobby's condition means.

-Jensen don't do that..don't crack like that. Every time you do that with your voice, I melt..."it's not righT"...awwww...*cuddles*

-Come on Bobby, seriously? Did you think the boys would have been all happy and cool because you decided to be stuck? You should know them better than this.

Btw thank you show for hurting them again. Thank you for hurting Dean again. For forcing him to think and say that Bobby should stay dead. For burdening him again...because we all know that if Bobby doesn't go away on his own, it will be Dean to take the responsability of it. I hate you show when you do this, but I love you immensely when you give Dean this crap to deal with. Because it's what Dean does better. He fixes things, he saves people. No matter how much does it costs to him doing it.
So even if I have tons of issues with the fact that they have brought Bobby back (I will maybe post about it), I am just happy to see Dean like that. Mature, aware, broken, hurt, but coherent and consistent with whom he has always been. Integrity is what I value the most in a character and Dean has never lost his. Don't even start saying that Dean is a hypocrite (yes some people are saying this) because after AHBL2 he can't say that what is dead, should stay dead...Dean didn't know back then what cheating death meant...now he does. So please, stop bitching.

Another thing I loved was that Sam asked Dean what they should do. He did because imo he sees Dean as a leader and a mentor (not to mention that Dean is the big brother) and because of Dean's feelings for Bobby.

Anyway I am glad the show gave us such a big insight on ghosts. I am also happy they didn't just show it as an easy thing. The Show brought Bobby back, but it's saying that it ain't easy to deal with him being back. It's not for anyone of them. Imo Bobby should let go...I fear they are going to resuscitate him...le sigh...

Comments

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

It's nice to know I'm not the only one that feels the same way about the "balls" exclamation. Agree. Enough already.

Would love more of Dean in the shower and his wet head. Best part of the episode. ;)

Love your points about Ghost!Bobby. Bobby stayed because he thought he still had work to do, because he thought the boys needed him. But, you are right, him staying, and the boys now knowing about it, does put yet another burden on Dean. I agree, he will be the one that will have to deal with it, the one that will have to make the decision that Bobby has to go and carry that out, because we all know Bobby has to go and that him staying will not end well for many people and, in particular, will not end well for the boys. There was a lot of pain in Dean knowing that Bobby was around. He couldn't even carry the flask anymore at the end, he dumped it in the trunk, while at the beginning of the episode he still wanted to carry it around. Having to say goodbye to Bobby, for the second time, will be hard for the boys and Bobby should have just let the Reaper take him. The boys do need to move on and learn to go forward without Bobby, and Bobby needs to let them. I also have some issues with having Bobby back (probably different from yours) but I would be interesting in reading your thoughts on the matter. Dean has never lost his integrity. The one part of him that is as strong as ever. And him talking about the "natural order" of things, harkening back to events in 'Appointment in Samara' will leave Dean with having to be the mature, aware, coherent and consistent person that he is, which will end with him having to do the "right" thing and end up broken and hurt all the more. I really feel for Dean. He is not in an easy place right now. Dean and Sam do know what Bobby's condition means and it will, sadly, not end well. Le sigh, indeed.....

[a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com]

*Skips spoilers to cuddle you*

[aphrodite33.livejournal.com]

I agree with you on every point,

My problem is the people ragging on Dean saying he should be happy Bobby is back. I am like really, have you seen Dean grow as a character?

He's stated in the past that he should have went with Tessa; he also stated he wouldn't have brought Sam back either. He's learned you don't go messing with the natural order and that comes from when he played Death for a day, and his talks with Tessa.

I love Bobby but I don't want a do over at all, but they brought him back because of the fandom outcry over it. If they were going to bring him back they shouldn't have killed him in the first place.

I just seriously hope they don't go all AU or it was all a bad dream on us LOL cause then I will really be pissed. Hahahaha

Have a good weekend!

Part 1

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

Hey Val! *hugs* Lovely review and one I'm much agree with!

JENSEN IS THE PRETTIEST MAN ALIVE!!! YES!!!! And he's also extremely talented and FANTASTIC at his job because despite how little he was actually in the episode he made every appearance count, kept Dean continuous and THERE. Just, GUH! He can do so much with body language and facial expression and even the tone of his voice...*flails* He's just AWESOME! JP was a bit distracted because, from what I understand, this episode was being filmed the week he and his wife were expecting the baby so I give him a bit of a pass cause he was definitely not 'all there' so to speak during this episode imo.

I am just happy to see Dean like that. Mature, aware, broken, hurt, but coherent and consistent with whom he has always been. Integrity is what I value the most in a character and Dean has never lost his. Don't even start saying that Dean is a hypocrite (yes some people are saying this) because after AHBL2 he can't say that what is dead, should stay dead...Dean didn't know back then what cheating death meant...now he does.

THIS! Its why I love Dean so much and why his journey has been so powerful even when his story arcs have been trashed and/or dropped. Because Jensen knows his character and breathes life into him in a way I have never seen an actor bring a character to life. And Dean is certainly no hypocrite! He never has been. If he starts to be a hypocrite he usually acknowledges it and takes steps to change or rethinks his position. He always has. Its just who he is. The strongest and yet weakest man ever. I say that because he is weak, is vulnerable and struggles so much and he is the strongest because despite it all he has kept going and has literally changed the course of events just by being himself and true to what he believes.

In regards to the episode itself, honestly there was too much Bobby for me. Waaaaay to much! Don't get me wrong, I love Jim Beaver, but his character was given a big send off, a good one so I hear (I didn't watch the episode except for a scene or two of Dean's because I knew Bobby's death was being dragged out and I just couldn't bring myself to care much).

Val, you and metallidean_grl actually voiced most of my complaints/concerns/annoyances with the current direction of Ghost!Bobby so I won't reiterate them. However, I do have a bit of speculation/thoughts on Dean's reaction to seeing Bobby again and the fact he brought op the part about 'natural order'.

Quick aside: I'd almost say Jensen had something to do with that being part of the script/scene because in some ways it didn't fit with the rest of the episode's script. But then, there's been a disconnect between the writers/producers/editors from the actual production going on in Vancouver pretty much all season imo.


tbc...as usual, lol. :)

Part 2

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

I have another thought about why Dean reacted with such grief and sorrow and, dare I say, a bit of disappointment that Bobby had stayed back as a ghost. Given Dean's earlier behavior since Bobby's death and his desperate wish that it was Bobby making all the strange things happen (get back to that later) I think it was more of a defense mechanism. Dean's reaction reminded me of "Lazarus Rising" and how desperate he was, in a way, to believe that Sam was the one who got him out of Hell but once Sam reacted and made it clear he hadn't been able to deal to save him, Dean backed down. And that's when the first traces of fear appeared because the sticky question of who busted Dean out and why was completely up in the air. Dean was heavily in denial in that episode, adjusting to being topside once more and also wrestling to keep the memories of Hell buried. I am one who doesn't believe Dean actually remembered everything once Cas raised him, but rather that the ghost sickness destroyed the 'wall' Dean had put up in his mind as a matter of survival cause after that he really started drinking and going downhill. In the same way, I believe Dean wished it *was* Bobby doing all those things because that meant it was someone friendly and not an unknown entity whose motives and plans are obscure. But ultimately, I think Dean believed it was something else because Winchester luck just doesn't go that way. Though the real question is, which is worse? I don't think even Dean knows because both possibilities meant more pain. He was just expecting option one because Bobby was a hunter! Why would he be stupid/follish enough to stick around when he knew what Dean and Sam would have to do to send him on his way?

There is also 4.15 and the little boy who Dean and Tessa helped. Tessa's words to the boy (can't remember his name) still ring in my mind. By staying, the boy was in fact making it impossible for his mother to properly grieve and to move on because she sensed his presence. Dean was right there with Tessa and the boy during this. He is the one who convinced the boy to go with Tessa and made it easier for the child. In the same way, Dean's extended grief has been a result of Bobby's presence. By staying, Bobby has in fact hindered and hurt Dean a hundred times worse then if he had just died and gone with his reaper. And that just breaks the remaining pieces of my broken heart into tinier pieces because Dean's hurting again and he's so right about Bobby sticking around not ending well.

One more quick thing to mention: how was Bobby able to do ANYTHING if he could barely do a thing in this episode? And the script took great pains to emphasis it. Knocking the book off the table knocked Bobby out for two weeks? Really? How then was he able drink Dean's beer or move the papers to get the right Greek one on top about the Amazons (when in S2 Dean and Sam both expressed knowledge/understanding/ability o read and understand Greek) or jedi the sword into Dean's hand? It just doesn't fit at all! There is also the biggest thing that has somehow gone unmentioned on the list of weird things happening around Dean: who drew the devil's trap on the ceiling to trap Jeffery's demon who he summoned and possessed Nora's son in 7.15??? Given Bobby's apparent capabilities as a ghost in this episode, he couldn't have done that. And neither Sam nor Nora could have drawn it because for one it was way too high and two they would have been seen. Which brings me to another problem: how did Bobby know that Mackey would know where to find a healer aka Cas if he's stuck to his flask? Does that mean Bobby knew about Emmanuel before he died? Sure looks that way. Why didn't he investigate it then? Died before he could, what?? Very, very poor job on explanations here, show.

tbc...

Part 3 (last one!) :)

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

My conclusion? Bobby isn't the only thing following Dean. Someone else is too and Bobby just hasn't seen em. Otherwise the story falls apart completely and destroys itself...not to mention makes this a season about Bobby just like last season was about Castiel thus sidelining the brothers AGAIN in their own story.

So I'm marginally hopeful there is more coming for Dean and his arc will finally come to fruition.

Next week's episode actually looks worse than this episode though. *sighs* But then, the previews for the episodes this season have been pretty poor all around.

Had to share!!

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

I just noticed something when I was looking at the screencaps of Dean getting out of the shower and putting his shirt on. In the mirror when he and Sam read Bobby's message about Annie, you can just see that he has a towel wrapped around his waist!

Squee!!! :D

Lol! ;) Random yes, but yes I must squee since its so rare! Unlike Damon/Ian whose willing to wander around buck naked or in just a towel for a half an episode...just sayin.

*pouts* And my attempts to share a pic of what I mean aren't working! =( Maybe someone else will have a pic posted somewhere...

[kros-21.livejournal.com]

great ep.
and now I'm kind of torn because as much as I want Bobby to stay with the boys I know that is not right as Dean pointed out. And I'm not sure the boys would take any confort from it anyway cause they worry and they know Bobby shouldn't be there.... :/

[animotus.livejournal.com]

Sai che dall'ufficio non ho molto tempo per scrivere sul lj,quindi non commenterò le cose silly ma solo quelle davver oserie:Dean nella doccia e con i capelli bagnati?!?Really?!?Queste cose non si possono guardare pochi giorni prima della Con!O.O