SPN is still able to make me sigh...in a good way :)

[x5vale]

HAPPY WEEKEND FLIST!

Some SPN thoughts under the cut.

JENSEN IS THE PRETTIEST MAN ALIVE!!!



-SPN still makes me laugh...just look at Dean's face when he Annie had a thing with Sam too.

-I am kinda annoyed to hear Bobby says balls every two seconds.

-I like Annie. Female hunters kick ass! Of course she dies. All kickass!female die...

-Dean in a shower, Dean in a shower...SPN you should do it more often!

-Grey shirt..tight...*thud*

-"Bobby"...awww Dean...*cuddles him*

-What the hell is Whitman? He's powerful. It's impressive.

-Bobby learned fast to grab and move objects.

-Poor Victoria...

-"she just got ghost killed"..always the best lines. I should collect Dean and Damon best lines in one post and put it as a sticky one :)

-"I want a Hunter funeral"...*sighs*

-So even Annie didn't have anything but her works. One again canon states out loud that hunters have not a happy life. Looks like they are condemned to be alone. I wish Dean and Sam could have a different destiny. I wish they could choose.

-The boys can see Bobby and the look on their faces tells me exactly why Bobby needs to go. The boys need to let him go. To mourn him, but to accept that he is dead.

-"I wanted to stay" and the boys response...I saw pain and sorrow. I saw realization of what Bobby's condition means.

-Jensen don't do that..don't crack like that. Every time you do that with your voice, I melt..."it's not righT"...awwww...*cuddles*

-Come on Bobby, seriously? Did you think the boys would have been all happy and cool because you decided to be stuck? You should know them better than this.

Btw thank you show for hurting them again. Thank you for hurting Dean again. For forcing him to think and say that Bobby should stay dead. For burdening him again...because we all know that if Bobby doesn't go away on his own, it will be Dean to take the responsability of it. I hate you show when you do this, but I love you immensely when you give Dean this crap to deal with. Because it's what Dean does better. He fixes things, he saves people. No matter how much does it costs to him doing it.
So even if I have tons of issues with the fact that they have brought Bobby back (I will maybe post about it), I am just happy to see Dean like that. Mature, aware, broken, hurt, but coherent and consistent with whom he has always been. Integrity is what I value the most in a character and Dean has never lost his. Don't even start saying that Dean is a hypocrite (yes some people are saying this) because after AHBL2 he can't say that what is dead, should stay dead...Dean didn't know back then what cheating death meant...now he does. So please, stop bitching.

Another thing I loved was that Sam asked Dean what they should do. He did because imo he sees Dean as a leader and a mentor (not to mention that Dean is the big brother) and because of Dean's feelings for Bobby.

Anyway I am glad the show gave us such a big insight on ghosts. I am also happy they didn't just show it as an easy thing. The Show brought Bobby back, but it's saying that it ain't easy to deal with him being back. It's not for anyone of them. Imo Bobby should let go...I fear they are going to resuscitate him...le sigh...

Comments

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

It's nice to know I'm not the only one that feels the same way about the "balls" exclamation. Agree. Enough already.

Would love more of Dean in the shower and his wet head. Best part of the episode. ;)

Love your points about Ghost!Bobby. Bobby stayed because he thought he still had work to do, because he thought the boys needed him. But, you are right, him staying, and the boys now knowing about it, does put yet another burden on Dean. I agree, he will be the one that will have to deal with it, the one that will have to make the decision that Bobby has to go and carry that out, because we all know Bobby has to go and that him staying will not end well for many people and, in particular, will not end well for the boys. There was a lot of pain in Dean knowing that Bobby was around. He couldn't even carry the flask anymore at the end, he dumped it in the trunk, while at the beginning of the episode he still wanted to carry it around. Having to say goodbye to Bobby, for the second time, will be hard for the boys and Bobby should have just let the Reaper take him. The boys do need to move on and learn to go forward without Bobby, and Bobby needs to let them. I also have some issues with having Bobby back (probably different from yours) but I would be interesting in reading your thoughts on the matter. Dean has never lost his integrity. The one part of him that is as strong as ever. And him talking about the "natural order" of things, harkening back to events in 'Appointment in Samara' will leave Dean with having to be the mature, aware, coherent and consistent person that he is, which will end with him having to do the "right" thing and end up broken and hurt all the more. I really feel for Dean. He is not in an easy place right now. Dean and Sam do know what Bobby's condition means and it will, sadly, not end well. Le sigh, indeed.....

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

Seriously, it was annoying!

Want more than just an arm to drool on ;)

There was a lot of pain in Dean knowing that Bobby was around. He couldn't even carry the flask anymore at the end, he dumped it in the trunk, while at the beginning of the episode he still wanted to carry it around.
Very good point. It was like Dean realized that his desire to have Bobby back was somehow holding him back and he knows he has to let Bobby go.

Oh I'd love to hear your issues too. Mine are pretty obvious:
there's nothing good in bringing Bobby back. Whatever they'll decide to do with him, it can't end well. If he goes, the boys will suffer. He he stays, the boys will have to kill him eventually.
But the worst thing that can happen imo is bringing him back for real. If they decide to resuscitate him, to bring him back all alive and kicking...maybe because Castiel or some other supernatural entity make the miracle, that would be so lame and so totally out of their own canon. Bobby, Dean and Sam have been brought back from death because they have things to do. If Bobby comes back after he has helped to kill the Leviathans as ghost, then he would only because the writers don't want to kill him off.
I think that if they have decided to kill him off, they must be brave enough to go down that route. No tricks.
Also, I think that there is no sense in bringing back characters they decided to kill off in order to leave the boys alone in their fight against the Leviathans and then pouf having them back to help the guys. It's like the writers have totally forgotten the basics of logic in writing their own storyline.

So yeah basically that's it.

I loved that you referred to Appointment in Samarra. It baffles me how people seem to forget how carefully Dean has been written through these years. His storylines may have been throw out the window, but Dean Winchester as a character has his own integrity and a great growth imo.

Dean is never in a easy place, that's why I love him so much. He does his best in the most impossible situations.

Bringing Bobby back and Dean's arc, pt 1

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

My comments here got very wordy, so I have to split this into 2 postings. Dang you LJ!

Dean realized that his desire to have Bobby back was somehow holding him back and he knows he has to let Bobby go. Exactly this. Since Bobby passed and they burned his bones, there were clues that Bobby may still be around, and Dean kinda held on to that, it kept him going. That hope kept him going. Now he knows that Bobby is still around. BUT, there is a big difference. The hope, the feeling that a loved one is still around is comforting while you are still going through the grieving process. To actually know that they are around in ghost form, you know that that isn't right. Especially given what Dean knows about ghosts and what they will eventually become. Before the knowledge, you were working through the grief and moving on, now with the knowledge, you are just stuck. You don't really know what to think or feel. The loved one is still here, so do you rejoice in the fact they are here in ghost form or do you continue to grieve because, plain and simple, Bobby is still dead. Bobby staying around and not going with the reaper was NOT a good thing. He may have reasoned with himself that he needed to stay for the boys, to help them, but it was not a good thing. I might even dare say it was just a tad selfish on Bobby's part. He should have let go. Back in 2.10 IMTOD, Dean had all the same arguments that Bobby had, my family needs me, etc. etc. but Tessa was able to talk him down and Dean realized that he needed to move on and he was going to move on had the YED and John's deal not reversed all that. Three years later, we learn from Dean when he is talking to Tessa that he felt off that whole year and stated that he should have moved on, he should not have come back. So, here, with this knowledge and experience and then Dean's experience with the horseman Death in AiS, Dean really does realize the importance of natural order and if you die, you should stay dead. This will not end well. It can't given how they have painted themselves into a corner. Bobby is going to slowly go mad in this form, and if he is around too long it will not be good, not only for Dean and Sam, but for everyone else that Bobby comes in contact with.

I totally agree with you that bringing Bobby back through some supernatural entity or miracle would be very lame. They killed Bobby off for a purpose and reason, then please, let us stick with those reasons. They can't keep reinventing the wheel here and rewriting canon at their whim. The purpose of killing Bobby was to get back to the basics of Dean and Sam as lone rangers, so to speak, or Butch and Sundance, so, let's keep it that way. I think the show was getting too comfortable with Dean and Sam always going to Bobby for help and having him come up with the quick fix. I would love to go back to the way it was in the earlier seasons where the boys actually did some research on their own and figured things out on their own - no quick fixes. It was interesting and fun that way and we got some good case episodes and moments between the brothers. I would really love for them to go back to that more, with an occasional assist from another hunter. No more of this calling Bobby for the quick fix. They need Bobby gone and gone. To quote Dean from CSPWDT, "what's dead, should stay dead." And that goes for Bobby too.

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[x5vale.livejournal.com]

The hope, the feeling that a loved one is still around is comforting while you are still going through the grieving process. To actually know that they are around in ghost form, you know that that isn't right.
Exactly. It's Dean and he knows how wrong it is to mess up with the natural order of things, not to mention that Bobby could become a vengful spirit and Dean could be forced to actually kill him.

now with the knowledge, you are just stuck.
Evil circle. You want to let him go and you don't...


He may have reasoned with himself that he needed to stay for the boys, to help them, but it was not a good thing. I might even dare say it was just a tad selfish on Bobby's part.
I agree, but I understand Bobby too. It's easy to speak when you are not much involved but when you are, when things are straight about you...mistakes are made all the time.

So, here, with this knowledge and experience and then Dean's experience with the horseman Death in AiS, Dean really does realize the importance of natural order and if you die, you should stay dead.
And people dare to call him hypocrite..this means they have never paied attention to Deanìs growth.

I totally agree with you that bringing Bobby back through some supernatural entity or miracle would be very lame. They killed Bobby off for a purpose and reason, then please, let us stick with those reasons.
Looks like Gamble has some serious issues to stay in canon with her own canon...

I would love to go back to the way it was in the earlier seasons where the boys actually did some research on their own and figured things out on their own - no quick fixes.
I agree and Bobby could have stayed around and pop up now and then.

Re: Bringing Bobby back and Dean's arc, pt 1

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

Bobby could and most likely "will" become a vengeful spirit. They all do eventually. And yes, Dean will be forced to kill him, which will be, yet again, another guilt that Dean will pile on top of all the other guilts that he is carrying around. Not a good thing. And Bobby knows all the guilt that Dean carries around, so Bobby should know better. But yet, what are they to do. Dean and Sam are in such a push/pull situation. You know you need to let go and yet don't want to. Such an emotional/mental tug on the heart. The boys are in an impossible situation.

I agree about mistakes being made all the time. It's all a part of being human.

Samuel even called Dean a hypocrite in Caged Heat. He didn't know Dean so he was not able to see any of the growth from Dean and lessons he had learned through his own mistakes. Dean tried to tell him, but Samuel wasn't listening. Didn't care. If only Samuel would have listened to Dean things might have turned out differently. And that is the great thing about Dean, he has learned from his mistakes and he has had great growth.

Bobby could have stayed around and pop up now and then.
I would have much preferred that scenario, instead of what we got. Bobby came into heavier play in S4, but he became more visible in S5&6. I would really have preferred that he pop up now and then, but oh well. We have what we have. I just always felt the quick fixes were too convenient. Wanted more of the boys theorizing and figuring things out for themselves. But with only 41 minutes of TV time, I guess they have to make quick fixes or else each episode would be too long.

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[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you on all points.

Bringing Bobby back and Dean's arc, pt 2

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

As to my issues with Bobby coming back. My biggest issue with Bobby is John-related. Bobby assuming Dean and Sam are his boys, etc. etc. from statements he made in DD. Being a big John fan, I have not cared as much for Bobby these days because of that. But, that is beside the point. My biggest issue with him coming back is that they had this whole 2-episode arc with Bobby getting killed and then while he is in a coma him working so hard to wake up so he can get the coordinates to the boys to help them out and then he dies. That whole episode, DD, was devoted to Bobby and it was a great send off for this beloved character. Now that they have brought him back, I just feel that that episode was a waste. That many were emotionally sucker-punched and said goodbye to only have him come back. Why then have him die in the first place. And if they bring him back by some miracle or something supernatural, then that would be even worse. Why go through that whole episode, have this great send off and tribute to this character, to only have him brought back to life. I think it is a sham to the character and to the show. I know they love to say on this show, once your dead, you are not really dead, because they find ways to bring someone back. That is true, in some respects. We have seen Ash, Ellen, Jo, and Pamela back, but their role reprisals fit in well with the storyline and arc of the show. Bobby dying, getting a hunters' funeral, now he is a ghost, with all that the show has been through and all that we have learned and show canon itself, Bobby needs to move on to heaven. Plain and simple. Anything else will just be wrong.

As to Dean's storyline through the entire run of the series, Dean has been very well, and as you said, carefully written throughout the series. Even in S6, which was not a favorite among many, that season had a carefully, albeit, subtle arc with Dean and his whole growth and process during that year is fascinating to watch. I love S6 because of Dean's arc in that season. Dean has always been true to himself and his integrity and growth throughout the years. He is a very complex character and has so many facets that he is a joy to explore. Dean IS never in an easy place, very true, and that is indeed why we love him so much. Yet, no matter how easy or hard his situation is, yes, he does do his best in each situation and most importantly, he stays true to himself. How can you not love someone like that.

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[x5vale.livejournal.com]

That whole episode, DD, was devoted to Bobby and it was a great send off for this beloved character. Now that they have brought him back, I just feel that that episode was a waste.
I agree. That makes no sense even though I knew that they would have brought bcak both him and Castiel...it's like this show is not brave enough to take responsibilities of its own choices.

I know they love to say on this show, once your dead, you are not really dead, because they find ways to bring someone back. That is true, in some respects.
But as you said, they were brought back for a purpose, now if bobby sticks around once the Leviathans are killed off, it's only because they don't want to get rid of him.

Even in S6, which was not a favorite among many, that season had a carefully, albeit, subtle arc with Dean and his whole growth and process during that year is fascinating to watch.
I totally agree with you. Dean's gowth is maybe the only thing I enjoyed watching in S6. The real waste is that every time they give him a storyline of his own, they drop it. Don't even get me started on the bif failure of the storyline they had been building up for a seaosn and a half (4 and 5) telling us that Dean was the true Servant of God who could kill gods and angels and then pouf...from 5.19 it just vanished...

Dean IS never in an easy place, very true, and that is indeed why we love him so much. Yet, no matter how easy or hard his situation is, yes, he does do his best in each situation and most importantly, he stays true to himself. How can you not love someone like that.
It's a mystery to me how people can not see that. Seriously.

Re: Bringing Bobby back and Dean's arc, pt 2

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

I can tolerate Castiel coming back more than I do Bobby. We never knew what happened to Castiel. All we saw was a trench coat. His end was left very ambiguous that Cas coming back worked for me in how they did it. Yet, Cas was also treated as a quick fix for things in many ways. So, if Cas does stay around then they need to do something different.

But Bobby, yes, it seems that he was brought back for the Leviathan issue and once that is resolved, if Bobby does stick around, I agree, it will be only because they don't want to get rid of him. And then your statement, the show is not brave enough to take responsibilities of its own choices will be exactly true. They killed off Bobby, we all know what happens to ghosts, the right thing is to make him go into the light. Anything else will be WRONG. And if we have a Bobby resurrection, well, if that happens, THIS fan will be very irritated. Because that will be DOUBLY WRONG!!!

Yes, the Dean being the vessel and the true Servant of God storyline was dropped. It would have been nice to have them explain how Dean could look at Zach as he was killed. Normally, a person would be killed looking at that. Then, how was Dean able to kill 'the whore' in 99 Problems. At the beginning they said he wouldn't be able to. I agree, it would have been nice to get some explanations or further stories involved with that, but once Michael entered Adam, Dean's whole storyline of that did stop. It was unfortunate.

I don't know how people can't see Dean's growth in the series. Maybe they don't want to, or maybe they are looking for something big and grande. A lot of the time you need to slam people in the face with storylines or things like that because it is not as obvious and many times, in TV shows, alot of people look more for the obvious and they don't look further and deeper into the character and storyline. Dean is not the boy we met in S1. He has matured and grown so much since we first met him in the pilot. He has made mistakes along the way and he has learned from his mistakes and tried to help others learn from his mistakes, whether they listened to him or not. Dean is a good man, whether he believes that himself or not. He is a good man and he deserves some peace and happiness.

Re: Bringing Bobby back and Dean's arc, pt 2

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I agree with you about tolerating Castiel coming back more than Bobby. At least it was pretty clear that we didn't know what really happened to the angel.

But my main issue with bringing them back is that they killed them off so the boys would have been alone and now they are here to help them..

As for the rest, I totally agree with you.

Re: Bringing Bobby back and Dean's arc, pt 2

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

Yea, TPTB stated over and over they wanted the boys to be "Butch and Sundance" and fend their own way. They were Butch and Sundance, wending their way over unfamiliar territory, they did't have the Impala, they changed up cars, they stayed in abandoned houses instead of hotels, etc. So, I guess that parts fits well. Yet, killing off the others so they could go alone, happened for a couple of episodes, BUT, when the big bad storyline starts heating up, they have Bobby and Castiel back, so what is with that. If they said they wanted the boys to go it alone in fighting monsters, why is it that when fighting the Leviathans starts heating up that they get the old team back together again? If they wanted to stay true to what they were saying earlier, shouldn't the boys be fighting the Leviathan WITHOUT the assist from ghost!Bobby and a reformed Castiel? It's like they want the boys to be alone, but they don't. So, why put the boys through all that? Why put the fans through the demise of these characters without having their demise?

Now I read comments from Jim Beaver that he might be around in S8. REALLY??? I don't know about that. Dean and Sam are going to work with a ghost? Isn't it the mission of these boys to rid the world of ghosts and now they are going to end up working with one? Doesn't make sense, it isn't right, and it goes against everything this show has stood for these last 7 years. I'm not liking that scenario if that is where they are going to take it.

[a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com]

*Skips spoilers to cuddle you*

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

*loves*

[aphrodite33.livejournal.com]

I agree with you on every point,

My problem is the people ragging on Dean saying he should be happy Bobby is back. I am like really, have you seen Dean grow as a character?

He's stated in the past that he should have went with Tessa; he also stated he wouldn't have brought Sam back either. He's learned you don't go messing with the natural order and that comes from when he played Death for a day, and his talks with Tessa.

I love Bobby but I don't want a do over at all, but they brought him back because of the fandom outcry over it. If they were going to bring him back they shouldn't have killed him in the first place.

I just seriously hope they don't go all AU or it was all a bad dream on us LOL cause then I will really be pissed. Hahahaha

Have a good weekend!

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I know there are Dean girls out there that see what I see in Dean. You are one of them.

It baffles me how people have already forgotten what happened in Appointment in Samarra and the lesson that came from that episode. Dean hasn't forgotten.

OMG AU or bad dream and I would lose my respect for these writers forever..LOL!

*hugs*

Part 1

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

Hey Val! *hugs* Lovely review and one I'm much agree with!

JENSEN IS THE PRETTIEST MAN ALIVE!!! YES!!!! And he's also extremely talented and FANTASTIC at his job because despite how little he was actually in the episode he made every appearance count, kept Dean continuous and THERE. Just, GUH! He can do so much with body language and facial expression and even the tone of his voice...*flails* He's just AWESOME! JP was a bit distracted because, from what I understand, this episode was being filmed the week he and his wife were expecting the baby so I give him a bit of a pass cause he was definitely not 'all there' so to speak during this episode imo.

I am just happy to see Dean like that. Mature, aware, broken, hurt, but coherent and consistent with whom he has always been. Integrity is what I value the most in a character and Dean has never lost his. Don't even start saying that Dean is a hypocrite (yes some people are saying this) because after AHBL2 he can't say that what is dead, should stay dead...Dean didn't know back then what cheating death meant...now he does.

THIS! Its why I love Dean so much and why his journey has been so powerful even when his story arcs have been trashed and/or dropped. Because Jensen knows his character and breathes life into him in a way I have never seen an actor bring a character to life. And Dean is certainly no hypocrite! He never has been. If he starts to be a hypocrite he usually acknowledges it and takes steps to change or rethinks his position. He always has. Its just who he is. The strongest and yet weakest man ever. I say that because he is weak, is vulnerable and struggles so much and he is the strongest because despite it all he has kept going and has literally changed the course of events just by being himself and true to what he believes.

In regards to the episode itself, honestly there was too much Bobby for me. Waaaaay to much! Don't get me wrong, I love Jim Beaver, but his character was given a big send off, a good one so I hear (I didn't watch the episode except for a scene or two of Dean's because I knew Bobby's death was being dragged out and I just couldn't bring myself to care much).

Val, you and metallidean_grl actually voiced most of my complaints/concerns/annoyances with the current direction of Ghost!Bobby so I won't reiterate them. However, I do have a bit of speculation/thoughts on Dean's reaction to seeing Bobby again and the fact he brought op the part about 'natural order'.

Quick aside: I'd almost say Jensen had something to do with that being part of the script/scene because in some ways it didn't fit with the rest of the episode's script. But then, there's been a disconnect between the writers/producers/editors from the actual production going on in Vancouver pretty much all season imo.


tbc...as usual, lol. :)

Re: Part 1

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

he made every appearance count, kept Dean continuous and THERE.
Jensen does that everytime.


THIS! Its why I love Dean so much and why his journey has been so powerful even when his story arcs have been trashed and/or dropped.
Excatly. Why don't some people see it? I mean it's awesome how his character has always been consistent despite everything the writers have done with his storylines.

And Dean is certainly no hypocrite! He never has been. If he starts to be a hypocrite he usually acknowledges it and takes steps to change or rethinks his position. He always has. Its just who he is. The strongest and yet weakest man ever.
Gaaaaahhhhh...I feel the love for this awesome character. Dean Winchester still owns my heart!

I say that because he is weak, is vulnerable and struggles so much and he is the strongest because despite it all he has kept going and has literally changed the course of events just by being himself and true to what he believes.

Because this is what Dean does, He keeps going and carries the burden and protects everyone.

but his character was given a big send off, a good one so I hear (I didn't watch the episode except for a scene or two of Dean's because I knew Bobby's death was being dragged out and I just couldn't bring myself to care much).
Can you believe that Bobby is actually having a storyline while Dean has not?

But then, there's been a disconnect between the writers/producers/editors from the actual production going on in Vancouver pretty much all season imo.
I think you are right :)

Part 2

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

I have another thought about why Dean reacted with such grief and sorrow and, dare I say, a bit of disappointment that Bobby had stayed back as a ghost. Given Dean's earlier behavior since Bobby's death and his desperate wish that it was Bobby making all the strange things happen (get back to that later) I think it was more of a defense mechanism. Dean's reaction reminded me of "Lazarus Rising" and how desperate he was, in a way, to believe that Sam was the one who got him out of Hell but once Sam reacted and made it clear he hadn't been able to deal to save him, Dean backed down. And that's when the first traces of fear appeared because the sticky question of who busted Dean out and why was completely up in the air. Dean was heavily in denial in that episode, adjusting to being topside once more and also wrestling to keep the memories of Hell buried. I am one who doesn't believe Dean actually remembered everything once Cas raised him, but rather that the ghost sickness destroyed the 'wall' Dean had put up in his mind as a matter of survival cause after that he really started drinking and going downhill. In the same way, I believe Dean wished it *was* Bobby doing all those things because that meant it was someone friendly and not an unknown entity whose motives and plans are obscure. But ultimately, I think Dean believed it was something else because Winchester luck just doesn't go that way. Though the real question is, which is worse? I don't think even Dean knows because both possibilities meant more pain. He was just expecting option one because Bobby was a hunter! Why would he be stupid/follish enough to stick around when he knew what Dean and Sam would have to do to send him on his way?

There is also 4.15 and the little boy who Dean and Tessa helped. Tessa's words to the boy (can't remember his name) still ring in my mind. By staying, the boy was in fact making it impossible for his mother to properly grieve and to move on because she sensed his presence. Dean was right there with Tessa and the boy during this. He is the one who convinced the boy to go with Tessa and made it easier for the child. In the same way, Dean's extended grief has been a result of Bobby's presence. By staying, Bobby has in fact hindered and hurt Dean a hundred times worse then if he had just died and gone with his reaper. And that just breaks the remaining pieces of my broken heart into tinier pieces because Dean's hurting again and he's so right about Bobby sticking around not ending well.

One more quick thing to mention: how was Bobby able to do ANYTHING if he could barely do a thing in this episode? And the script took great pains to emphasis it. Knocking the book off the table knocked Bobby out for two weeks? Really? How then was he able drink Dean's beer or move the papers to get the right Greek one on top about the Amazons (when in S2 Dean and Sam both expressed knowledge/understanding/ability o read and understand Greek) or jedi the sword into Dean's hand? It just doesn't fit at all! There is also the biggest thing that has somehow gone unmentioned on the list of weird things happening around Dean: who drew the devil's trap on the ceiling to trap Jeffery's demon who he summoned and possessed Nora's son in 7.15??? Given Bobby's apparent capabilities as a ghost in this episode, he couldn't have done that. And neither Sam nor Nora could have drawn it because for one it was way too high and two they would have been seen. Which brings me to another problem: how did Bobby know that Mackey would know where to find a healer aka Cas if he's stuck to his flask? Does that mean Bobby knew about Emmanuel before he died? Sure looks that way. Why didn't he investigate it then? Died before he could, what?? Very, very poor job on explanations here, show.

tbc...

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[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I am one who doesn't believe Dean actually remembered everything once Cas raised him
I agree. I think Dean just had some falshbacks and some feelings about what his experience in Hell was, but the complete awareness of what it was came out slowly and when Dean finally realized it, he went downhill.

In the same way, I believe Dean wished it *was* Bobby doing all those things because that meant it was someone friendly and not an unknown entity whose motives and plans are obscure.
That's very Dean too. Of course he hoped it was Bobby so to know that he was still around, but being the hunter he is, also because it would have meant to be safe.

Why would he be stupid/follish enough to stick around when he knew what Dean and Sam would have to do to send him on his way?
Because Dean, more than any other, should know that people do stupid things out of love.

In the same way, Dean's extended grief has been a result of Bobby's presence. By staying, Bobby has in fact hindered and hurt Dean a hundred times worse then if he had just died and gone with his reaper.
That's why he should go. As long as he would stay around, Dean can't have peace.

One more quick thing to mention: how was Bobby able to do ANYTHING if he could barely do a thing in this episode? And the script took great pains to emphasis it.
Let's skip this, would you? I hate when the writers are so superficial.

Which brings me to another problem: how did Bobby know that Mackey would know where to find a healer aka Cas if he's stuck to his flask? Does that mean Bobby knew about Emmanuel before he died? Sure looks that way. Why didn't he investigate it then? Died before he could, what?? Very, very poor job on explanations here, show.
PLOT HOLES BIG TIME!

Part 3 (last one!) :)

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

My conclusion? Bobby isn't the only thing following Dean. Someone else is too and Bobby just hasn't seen em. Otherwise the story falls apart completely and destroys itself...not to mention makes this a season about Bobby just like last season was about Castiel thus sidelining the brothers AGAIN in their own story.

So I'm marginally hopeful there is more coming for Dean and his arc will finally come to fruition.

Next week's episode actually looks worse than this episode though. *sighs* But then, the previews for the episodes this season have been pretty poor all around.

Re: Part 3 (last one!) :)

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

That's why I am scared...they wrote himself in a corner and whatever they will do, can't end well.

Had to share!!

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

I just noticed something when I was looking at the screencaps of Dean getting out of the shower and putting his shirt on. In the mirror when he and Sam read Bobby's message about Annie, you can just see that he has a towel wrapped around his waist!

Squee!!! :D

Lol! ;) Random yes, but yes I must squee since its so rare! Unlike Damon/Ian whose willing to wander around buck naked or in just a towel for a half an episode...just sayin.

*pouts* And my attempts to share a pic of what I mean aren't working! =( Maybe someone else will have a pic posted somewhere...

Re: Had to share!!

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

Tamara!!!!

I blame you...now I have dirty thoughts!

Re: Had to share!!

[roselani24.livejournal.com]

What???? *most innocent look* I was just saying...

Hee! :D

[kros-21.livejournal.com]

great ep.
and now I'm kind of torn because as much as I want Bobby to stay with the boys I know that is not right as Dean pointed out. And I'm not sure the boys would take any confort from it anyway cause they worry and they know Bobby shouldn't be there.... :/

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I am not torn anymore...he has to go, but I know he won't and I am scared they will resuscitate him.

That would be wrong...

[animotus.livejournal.com]

Sai che dall'ufficio non ho molto tempo per scrivere sul lj,quindi non commenterò le cose silly ma solo quelle davver oserie:Dean nella doccia e con i capelli bagnati?!?Really?!?Queste cose non si possono guardare pochi giorni prima della Con!O.O

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

Brava hai individuato il nocciolo dell'intero episodio!