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Best thing of the episode: Damon interaction with Elijah and Klaus.
-Loved how Damon threated Elena. It's about time she understands Damon can't be there all the time.
-Kol and Rebekah! So much love for their interaction.
-Elijah is smart.
-Oh Rebekah you are going to be so hurt.
-Elena spent time venting about Damon...oh girl your jealousy is shining! Seriously.
-As much as I get Stefan and I understand his reasons, well I would slap him so hard when he has that "I am better than you" attitude.
-Go Elijah!!! Elena betrayed you..she deserved it. Hard to say who is the good and who is the bad, isn't it?
-Damon&Ric bromance....glimpses of it at least and protective!Damon. So much love.
-Damon is not the only one to be little judgmental, all MF is when it comes to Damon.
-Don't kill KOL too soon please.
-Why am I not even interested in what Bonnie and her mother do? I started out loving Bonnie so much, but right now...I just feel indifference.
-Witches piss me off.
-Give me more Damon&Elijah interaction. I love how Damon continues to just stand there like a BAMF when being threatened with his life.
-Gotta say Rebekah had a point, Elena is not exactly on her small list.
-Love Damon all badass. Divide and conquer!
-More Kol/Klaus please.
-Klaus/Caroline. Still liking them a lot.
-Esther, it's official, I dislike you. Finn, useless.
-KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL, no!
-Thank you Klaus, you saved my other babe.
-Damon is going to do the dirty work, as always. He just tossed a coin and it was there, ready to sacrifice himself and give Stefan another chance. I'd call it being selfless.
-Elena admitted that Rebekah wa tormenting her...talking about Damon. Jealousy.
-GAAAH the Originals Brothers!!!
-I am glad Esther acknowledged that Elijah has been a killer for his whole life. I love him, exactly like I love all the other vamps, but I do love them because they are vampires and because they fight to find a balance between their two natures, I don't love them because they try to hide (aka "as Stefan does"). So it's good the show addressed this issue.
-Damon and Stefan decided to turn Abby to save Elena (and the Originals). How far are they willing to go to save the life of one single person? Can you see the moral dilemma? They sacrificed another person freedom and spared the life of their worst enemies just to save Elena. I am ok they did, but can you see how many issues this brings along with it? I don't think Stefan is less guilty than Damon. Stefan didn't even flinch. Stefan talked, Damon acted. It's always like that, but they did agree and they were together in this. No difference, no one is better than the other one. When it comes to save Elena, they are both able to make the hardest decisions and move on easily, because they are not just humans. They are vampires.
-Stefan went after Bonnie and not after Abby? Stefan???? WTH is wrong with you? Writers you could have written a wonderful character development and you screwed up with Stefan this season. It's characterization has been all over the place and it doesn't make any sense...but to this extent?
-Damon and Bonnie are the one who always get hurt, not just Bonnie. Btw I am sorry for her, because she is the one who always pays the highest price.
-Of course Damon still loves her, Stefan....I wish you could drop that facade and tell your brother that you love him and understand him.
-Poor writing: Stefan was on human blood all summer, he should be a blood junkie but he's apparently giving up drinking blood. In S1 he drank less and he was a real mess and now he is ok with being blood free all of sudden? Come on...
-Loved, loved Elijah with Rebekah. Can I please have all the four of them together?
-The cliffhanger is Ric shot by Meredith...Damon is so so right about her.
CHARACTERS
Damon
-Loves me some old sarcastic, badass Damon. He was flawless again in this episode. He stood up for himself with Elena, not giving a crap of what she thinks (of course it's not true, but it was very much needed to make Elena understand that she can't take him for granted), selfless because he did the dirty work, sparing Stefan to do it since he is used to be considered the bad guy and he even if he is hurt, he can get over it quickly. Damon did it because he understood his brother was trying to detox and dealing with some other guilt would have been hard for him. Damon did it to give Stefan some break. To help him to get to his usual self. Damon gave Stefan another chance with himself and with Elena. I would love him forever just for this.
It hurt me to see how much he was resigned at the idea of Elena not wanting him, but I am glad that is aware he tried to win her over honestly. Plus this personal growth is what makes damon the most compelling character in my book. Personal growth Stefan lacks in. Damon will have some pay off, I am sure of it.
oh btw is not true she doesn't want you, Damon. Just not now.
Stefan
-He really doesn't get his brother sometimes. He is so annoying when he has that "holier than you" attitude. I can't believe he did have to ask Damon why he decided to turn Abby, even if it should have been him...seriously Stefan? Such an idiot sometimes. He still doesn't get that his brother would do anything for him, would sacrifice everything for the persons he loves. Including his chance to be with Elena. That's why he turned Abby. To give his baby bro the chance to shine and not spare him another guilt to deal with.But Stefan is as much guilty and screwed up as Damon is, no better than him. My real problem with Stefan is that if he thinks that Elena is better without him,he is not able to let her go and admit that Damon might be good for her. Now I get that probably not even Damon is the best possible choice, but Stefan is not willing to give this love a possibility. He is not that selfless. Mixed feeling about baby bro. I think I prefer ripper!Stefan.
One more thing: I hope Stefan tells everyone that it should have been him to turn Abby, but Damon chose to be him...I want some kind of mirror scene when before kissing Elena, Damon told her that Stefan didn't betray them but saved him.
Elena
-Not much to say about her after this episode. She was brave in dealing with Rebekah, but she and everyone need to realize that she is ready to do dirty things he to get what she wants. She doesn't kill maybe, but she betrayed Elijah, she stabbed Rebekah in her back, she hurt Damon for no reason. But she whined and bitched for the whole episode about Damon sleeping with Rebekah. To me this is jealousy, showing BIG TIME. The look on her face when Damon told her that he didn't pick up the phone bacuse he was busy or when she asked Damon if he was under vervain...something has changed in Damon attitude and Elena got it.
I am ok with her wanting to talk and see Stefan again, because actually what it looked to me, was not love, true love, but wanting him back to talk, to help jim through his issues. Looked to me like a strong love that is slowly becoming more like a friendship.
If i see it in this way I can be ok with Elena being all over Stefan again just like nothing had happened.
THE ORIGINALS
Finn is useless, Esther is a bitch.
Elijah is BAMF! Klaus is still the one who makes me feel for him since he has those puppy eyes even when he kills...o
Rebekah is a very interesting character and Kol is the annoying, cocky, snarky little brother.I JUST LOVE HIM!
Honestly I have read some things before watching the episode and I was a little scared. Things like "Damon always does the dirty work, saves everyone and then get's sent to the corner and put to shame."....but as much as I see where this is comes from, I don't agree. None put him to shame. Actually Stefan was feeling sorry and thanked his brother for what he did. Elena might even be pissed off at him for a while, but she should be at Stefan too. Plus she was the one willing to betray everyone to get rid of Klaus. Elena needed to be saved. That was the only way.
Quoting this stuff from http://ktc1980.tumblr.com/ about Damon and Elena situation right now. I agree.
She tried calling him ten times.Elena was jealous, to such an obvious extent she told everyone she knewJeremy may even have a weird ranting voicemail waiting for him about Damon sleeping with Rebekah. Damon stood up for himself. Damon accepted that while he’s in love with her, she’s not in love with him, and doesn’t want to be with him. Which, I’m sorry, is true in canon right now - they’re not nearly on the same page. Elena has barely let herself acknowledge that she has feelings for him that are stronger than sexual attraction. She’s not over her boyfriend yet, which Damon knew when he said that they’re right, just not right now.
So where are we now? Damon still in love with her, but he’s not gonna pine. He loves her enough to not stand in the way of a Stelena reunion. No one knows that Stefan was going to be the one to turn Abby until Damon stepped in, which is a secret too big to not get revealed. Elena has a tangle of emotions to sort through if she wants to make things right with Bonnie, because her decision effectively traded Abby for Elijah, and that Damon did it to save her.
With Damon not in her face everyday, not being there and touching her face and declaring himself and whatnot, Elena has a chance to think about him, examine her own feelings, and miss him. And want him back.
This is another good insight on D/E D/E
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Date: 2012-02-17 09:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-17 10:16 am (UTC)This show is awesome, that's it.
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Date: 2012-02-17 11:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-17 12:05 pm (UTC)I agree, Damon has grown up so much. I am proud of him :)
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Date: 2012-02-17 12:13 pm (UTC)I loved having the snarky, BAMF Damon back as well. He was due for a comeback after having to be emotional, pining Damon for the first part of this season. ITA that Elena needed to be shown that she takes him for granted.
I'm glad we had some Salvatore brother interaction, but you are right that Stefan's characterization has been erratic this season. I loved that Damon turned Abby to spare Stefan and totally did not see that coming. I thought he was going to kill her.
I was okay with Elena calling Stefan, as well, because it didn't feel like a desperate trying-to-get-him-back move.
I could go on some more, but I'm at work (how rude that it's getting in the way of our fangirl bonding ;). I'll be posting my thoughts after I rewatch it tonight.
*hugs*
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Date: 2012-02-17 12:50 pm (UTC)I loved Damon/Stefan interaction even if Stefan makes my eyes roll!
I am so upset by Stefan characterization. I love him so much and he does deserve a better writing.
Yeah work is not nice.
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Date: 2012-02-17 01:36 pm (UTC)I just want my brothers, I don't even care about the triangle anymore, give me Salvatores' LOVE!!!♥
Klaus/Kol and Klaus/Caroline are amazing, no?
Elena was so jealous, I agree.
Where is my Ripper? I'm tired of Stefan's characterisation.
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Date: 2012-02-17 01:54 pm (UTC)Truly, in this episode everything was Damon :)))
Oh yeah I loved that haircut in the promo. Agreed i don't care about the triangle. I want more S/D moments like the last one they shared in this episode.
Yep they were amazing hon. I wish they could spend some more time talking about their relationship.
Agreed on Stefan.
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Date: 2012-02-17 04:34 pm (UTC)And being a SPN die hard fan i can't help but make this comparison between Stefan/Sam. Every single time Stefan puts that mask of holier than God on, it makes me think of Sam. How many times he lied to Dean and pretended that nothing was wrong, that he didn't know about Azazel that he didn't drink the demon blood, that the thought he was the strongest among them all, and you remember where that got us. Damon is as selfless and wonderful as Dean is, even though he prefers it for the world to see him as a bad guy. And i def prefer ripper!Stefan, it was much more awesome than this faked version who can act like being perfectly sane after not drinking blood for such extended period of time, blah.
I really LOVE Elijah! He's so awesome, that calm attitude of his that hides so much power. Glad that Ester is out of the picture for now, but i want Kol back, hehe.
Poor Bonnie, being friends with Elena will always be a hardship for her...
"I thought i could win her from you, fair and square. She didn't want me...It's for the best, i,m better being the bad guy anyway"...*Sobs*. Damn, Damon...
Wish you a lovely weekend, darling and Happy SPN day:)
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Date: 2012-02-17 04:53 pm (UTC)This Stefan is annoying because it's like he needs to be constantly reminded that Damon can do good. Damon said that after 146 years spent together you learn other persons tells. It's like Stefan hasn't learned anything about his brother in all this time. Better he sticks with the pattern that Damon is just the bad guy.
So much Sam indeed.
Damon owns my heart and soul.
To you too darling!
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Date: 2012-02-17 06:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-18 10:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-18 11:00 am (UTC)*Kisses*
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Date: 2012-02-18 01:25 am (UTC)Now we're getting hints of old holier than thou arrogant Stefan, with no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever (excuse me?), and clear indication that the writers may be going right back to basics between he and Elena. I'm sorry but too much water has passed under the bridge for anything to go back to the way it was, including Elena keeping Damon at arm's length while acting snotty about his extracurricular activities.
Otherwise, I liked everything to do with the Original story arc, including making Esther look like the raging bitch she is. What is it with the witches on this show? They're always the least sympathetic characters. On the flipside, Esther's behavior is actually making Klaus appear more and more sympathetic, so that's a good thing. And I'm kind of rooting for him and Caroline. Tyler can just stay away, as far as I'm concerned. ;)
Sure, I feel a little bad that Bonnie keeps getting the crap end of the stick each time everyone puts Elena's safety first; but, again, I don't lose too much sleep over it because the witches just aren't interesting or very sympathetic.
And I love that Damon was right - Dr. Meredith IS a psycho! And Alaric dies again. Apparently he's going for a record. ;)
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Date: 2012-02-18 10:54 am (UTC)I am not liking what they are doing with Stefan in this last episodes. He can't just stop drinking blood and be like that while he was a mess in S1. Stefan is unstable. He swtiches on, swtiches off, in, out...he is all over the place.
I am with you about the Originals and Tyler.
Agreed about the witches, but it's wrong none cares about the consequences when it comes to save Elena.
Damon is basically the only sane person in town and he acts like a mature adult lately. I love him dearly.
Oh Alaric...it's insane.
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Date: 2012-02-18 02:27 pm (UTC)I really like seeing Damon having fun, like he did with Rebekah. I hope we get to see more of that now that he and Elena are on a break. ;) I'm glad that at least they're not portraying Damon as stupidly believing he has more with Elena than he does. Seems like he has his eyes wide open in that respect.
What I really don't want to see is a return to the early S1 relationship between he and Stefan. Stefan should know better than anyone that you can't paint Damon with a one-dimensional brush.
Agreed about the witches, but it's wrong none cares about the consequences when it comes to save Elena.
I completely agree with you on that score, and I wouldn't blame Bonnie if this incident soured her on Elena from here on out. I didn't like her giving Elena a hard time about Jeremy, but she should be angry at Elena after this.
I just wish the witches were more interesting to me than they are, and I really don't care about her mom. Plus this scenario smacks too identical and too close to the same exact thing that happened to Caroline's dad. They're going to the well a little too often with the vamp-turning.
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Date: 2012-02-18 03:12 pm (UTC)Damon is smart and after pining over Kath for 150 years, he has learned something.
Agreed with you about S/D. I would have major issues with Stefan he doesn't stop to have that attitude about his brother.
I don't care about them neither and it's a shame because witches are interesting.
What do you think of the serial killer that apparentely is in town? I am not sure is Meredith...
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Date: 2012-02-18 03:21 pm (UTC)I'm completely at a loss there. On the one hand, I'm glad to see that Damon was right and there's more to Meredith than being just a sweet doctor love interest for Alaric. OTOH, first I thought she was the bad guy, then it seemed like they had enough evidence she wasn't, and now she seems like she's the bad guy again!
If it's not her, she obviously has some connection to the killer - she's either investigating him/her, covering for him/her, or in league with him/her. Shooting Alaric certainly doesn't make her look like a good guy, does it?
Then again, I guess you can say the same about Damon and Stefan turning Bonnie's mom. It's all so complicated. ;) But there has to be a lot more to Meredith than meets the eye.
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Date: 2012-02-18 03:25 pm (UTC)No it doesn't. Have you seen the promo for the next episode? I don't want to spoiler you.
Oh it is, I just wish they showed some regret for Abby, but they didn't.
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Date: 2012-02-18 06:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-18 10:47 am (UTC)It's all about Elena and this is ridicolous.
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Date: 2012-02-18 10:24 am (UTC)I um, posted a rather lengthy response on arabian's lj that I won't repeat here, but it basically comes down to I agree and I love Damon very much! :D He continues to be awesome and I'm loving it!
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Date: 2012-02-18 10:46 am (UTC)Thanks hon, yep basically we can sum up to "WE LOVE DAMON".
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Date: 2012-02-18 01:42 pm (UTC)Now Damon has been a little wishy washy to me. Yes he's in love. And yes he's been awesome, but he's stopped being the badass. The best thing about Damon is that he doesn't apologize for who he is. He doesn't stop drinking human blood or sexing it up because he's in love. But I feel this season, we've been denied the out and out ruthless Damon of Season 1. He's been slightly mopey and on Elena's leash. Me no likey!
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Date: 2012-02-18 02:19 pm (UTC)Quoting a friend (arabian):
There is simply no rhyme or reason to how he's behaved and I honestly can not conceive of how it can be laid out in a way that would. He's not compelled, but human blood is making him a sadistic, sick puppy. No wait, he is compelled, and he's suddenly NOT a sadistic, sick puppy, yet he has a nasty, snarky attitude. No wait, now he isn't compelled, and he's a snarky ass who doesn't care about anyone except Damon, and he goes too far and does horrible things. And, wait for it, now he's gone too far, and so he's not drinking blood and he's back to being the martyred, suffering Stefan again. Whatever. And I don't think I'm the only one 'whatever'-ing this as it really felt like Paul Wesley has just checked out.
I have had feelings from Wesley acting through the whole season up until Dangerous Liaisons. The struggle to get back to his usual self must be evident and it's not. In S1 he did struggle a lot whole more drinking less. Now he should show some sign of whitdrawal and he doesn't. It's not accurate. It's rushed. That is my issue with the characterization.
About Damon, if he sticks with S1!Damon he shows no personal growth. Damon still doesn't apologize because he is a vampire. He still drinks human blood, he still kills when necessary . He always does the dirty job. The last episode proved all of it. Even in his relationship with Elena. He didn't make sex because Elena hurt him. He did because he realized that he was still that old Damon and he had missed that part of him. He tried to win her over, being his sexless boyfriend. In his mind, he failed. Now he is at the point where he can afford himself to have some swag back. I like this balance a lot.
That being said, I love both of them :)
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Date: 2012-02-18 04:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-18 05:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-18 07:18 pm (UTC)Ti dico cosa penso onestamente e spero che possiamo avere un'analisi costruttiva dell'episodio.
Vale, secondo me sei sempre troppo critica nei confronti di Stefan, quasi merciless direi. Gli hai dato una mezza stellina d'oro quando se ne è andato con Klaus e ha buttato all'aria la sua vita per salvare le persone a cui teneva a casa (e non solo Elena ma anche Damon) e adesso è di nuovo il selfish, idiot, brother che non capisce Damon.
Io ho apprezzato Damon TANTISSIMO in questo episodio. Quello che ha fatto merita tanto di cappello. Però non vedo niente di sbagliato in come Stefan si è comportato. Non credo affatto che si senta superiore a Damon. E onestamente se anche inconsciamente stesse cercando di riprendersi la vita che aveva prima e che ha dovuto dare via contro la sua volontà, non ci vedrei niente di strano. Che poi le cose nel frattempo siano cambiate e magari tornare a come era prima non è possibile ci sta. Ma che lui lo speri mi sembra normale.
Ciò non vuol dire che credo che Damon gli debba cedere Elena e la parte del fratello buono solo perchè "gli spetta di diritto". Sono propensa a credere che Damon si sacrifichi sempre per amore di suo fratello MA ti dico anche che se lui non pensasse che Elena non lo ricambia e lo ha rifiutato, non so se le cose sarebbero andate esattamente come sono andate.
Detto ciò, io non voglio Damon e Elena insieme. Credo che quando Damon fa il love sick puppy si instupidisce, diventa lame e poco interessante. Almeno Stefan ce lo hanno presentato così dalla prima stagione e lui ed Elena si meritano a vicenda. Damon per me deve essere indipendente, magari anche caring, non per forza the "bad guy" ma sicuramente più interesting di come l'hanno presentato negli ultimi episodi.
E poi questa storia dei due fratelli innamorati della stessa donna è così trita e ritrita ormai. Ce la propina dovunque. E Damon e Stefan sono due tools perchè non possono pensare che qualsiasi mezzo sia lecito per salvare Elena. Elena deve anche saper cavarsela da sola. Vorrei tanto che entrambi si liberassero di questa schivitù ma ovviamente non sarà possibile e uno dei due sarà sempre quello buono che vince la ragazza e l'altro il reietto rifiutato. *rolls eyes*
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Date: 2012-02-18 11:30 pm (UTC)Io non sono una DE shipper hardcore. Io voglio solo che Damon abbia un po' di felicita' e non mi importa con chi. Proprio oggi mi sono rivista The Return e davvero..cut him some slack. In ogni caso, certo che Stefan non deve cedere, Stefan deve combattere per Elena. Il mio problema con lui, e' che non lo ha fatto prima. Una volta salvato Damon, avrebbe potuto tornare indietro e combattere per avere la sua vita indietro. Invece ha preferito la vendetta. Ha preferito non affrontare il suo dolore. Quello che manca a Stefan e' l'accettazione completa di chi lui e'. Non puo' pensare di vivere la sua vita tra l'astinenza assoluta e l'overdose. Deve accettare che e' un vampiro e convivere con questo. Anche perche' il vecchio Stefan, attento agli effetti collaterali, lasciava che ad occuparsi del lavoro sporco fosse Damon, ma di fatto era coinvolto anche lui...Stefan deve capire chi e' e agire di conseguenza. Il suo ripper arc mi piaceva moltissimo, e mi piace che lui combatta per tornare ad avere un equilibrio...solo che e' mi sembra troppo accelerato.
Tornando al triangolo, secondo me Stefan ed Elena torneranno insieme per un po' e poi si lasceranno, ma a me sta benissimo...anche se questo dovesse spezzare il cuore di Damon. Se Elena capira' di amare Stefan piu' di tutto, ok. Stefan ha gia' dimostrato di amare Damon piu' di tutto.
Ora veniamo al punto piu' difficile da spiegare: io non penso che Stefan creda di essere migliore di Damon nel suo intimo. Quello che pero'io vedo e' uno Stefan che quando parla con o di Damon, spesso lo denigra e lo descrive sempre al negativo. Non l'ho mai sentito parlare di quanto Damon sia cambiato in meglio.
Damon disse ad Elena che lui non la meritava, mentre Stefan si. Stefan ha detto che nessuno dei due la merita e a Damon ha detto "sure as Hell she is better without you". Per me questo e' paradigmatico di come Stefan si rapporta con il fratello normalmente.
Se Stefan nel prossimo episodio raccontasse ad Elena che doveva essere lui a trasformare Abby e che Damon glielo ha risparmiato, vedrei un cambiamento di rotta...
Non e' rispetto ad Elena che io ho un problema nella caratterizzazione di Stefan, e' rispetto a Damon.
Damon dice che dopo 146 anni ha imparato a capire certe cose e Stefan si stupisce che il fratello capisca che ha smesso di bere sangue? Si stupisce che Damon voglia in qualche modo risparmiargli un'ulteriore sofferenza? Io da spettatore, penso allora che Stefan non ha mai davvero guardato oltre la superfcie, che non conosca affatto suo fratello. Non che non lo capisca, che non lo conosca. Il concetto e' diverso. Lo potevo capire nella prima stagione. La considero cattiva caratterizzazione ora, specialmente dopo quanto accaduto nella seconda e dopo cio' che Stefan ha visto accadere in Damon. E' come se avesse chiuso gli occhi e si fosse dimenticato di tutto.
Penso sia questo il mio problema con Stefan.
Su Damon, ma non so..io sono totalmente cotta di inlove!Damon e credo che onestamente lui abbia continuato a fare cio' che doveva anche quando sembrava troppo soft.Il suo piano per uccidere Klaus era perfetto per esempio. Io ribadisco che se Damon fosse rimasto il Damon della prima stagione, sarebbe stato noioso e ripetitivo. Non avrebbe avuto senso dal punto di vista della crescita. Ora ha guadagnato un po' di rispetto per se stesso, si e' comportato piu' o meno bene e ha ribadito che lui e' un vampiro (vedi il 3.05) e che si comporta come tale. Poi si, il suo essere iperprottetivo era fastidioso al limite del ridicolo e sono ben contenta che per ora abbiamo un break, ma per il resto io l'ho trovato piuttosto equilibrato come personaggio.
Sono d'accordo anche sul fatto che Damon e Stefan devono finirla di pensare che tutto riguardi solo Elena e smetterla di mettere le vite delle altre persone al secondo posto..ma come hai detto tu, questo non cambiera'. Il triangolo e' parte integrante della storia. Vediamo solo come si sviluppa.
Ultima cosa, quando Stefan ha salvato Damon, il mio cuore bi bro era colmo di felicita' e proprio perche'so quanto questi due si amano, vorrei vedere tra loro piu' comunicazione e piu'complicita'. Non giudizi facili buttati li' per colpire dove fa piu' male.
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Date: 2012-02-19 04:58 pm (UTC)Sono molto d'accordo sul fatto che Stefan non riesca ancora ad accettare chi lui sia. Che però un conto è dire, devo accettare di essere un vampiro, un conto è devo accettare di essere un mostro. Come ha detto Elijah, la madre li ha trasformati in vampiri ma mostri ci sono diventati per le loro scelte ed azioni. Quindi mi piace che Stefan cerchi di restare "buono" il più possibile. Sul fatto che poi questo significhi per lui far fare il lavoro sporco agli altri.... mah, forse è anche vero però a Damon non lo costringe nessuno a fare quello che fa. Non è che Stefan gli imponga niente. Io credo che Damon è in grado di prendere le sue decisioni (anche se sono dettate dall'amore per suo fratello) e poi ovviamente ne deve pagare le conseguenze. Quindi se Damon fa "cattive azioni" io non tendo a dire "è perchè Stefan non lo ha voluto fare da se". Se Damon volesse si potrebbe rifiutare e dovrebbero trovare insieme un'altra soluzione. Non so se mi sono spiegata bene.
In generale credo che loro due non potranno mai stare sullo stesso piano. Tipo entrambi sul lato umano, a combattere come un team che non sono in rivalità per Elena. Sembra che quando Damon è "cattivo" Stefan debba essere il fratello buono e viceversa... :/
Cmq in questo periodo tendo un po' a difendere Stefan perchè all'inizio mi annoiava a morte. Tipo se rileggo le mie prime reviews sono tutte "che palle Stefan ed Elena!" ahahahaha ma da quando gli hanno dato la svolta con Klaus sono super interessata al suo personaggio. Damon invece lo apprezzo in genere costantemente a parte quando ha gli occhi a cuoricino. :P
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Date: 2012-02-20 08:56 am (UTC)Credo make sense si possa tradurre con "cose sensate"! LOL!
Si hai ragione, dovrei scrivere a freddo, ma poi mi dimentico e non ci sarebbe gusto...non avrei queste discussioni interssanti con te!
Sono d'accordo sul fatto che essere vampiri ed essere mostri sono cose diverse. Ma secondo me Esther ha dimenticato un punto fondamentale: ai vampiri è stata data una natura che loro non prevedavano e potevano scegliere se vivere una vita di contrizione o accettare che per viveere era necessario bere sangue umano. Tra questi due estremi ci sono tuttel le sfumature possibili (un po' come per noi umani tra essere carnivori accaniti ed essere vegani).
Sono perfettamente d'accordo con te sul fatto che Damon decide per se e fa quello che gli sembra giusto fare in quel momento. Non do' la colpa a Stefan per quello che Damon decide di fare. Dico solo che per Stefan è più semplice decidere di essere il "buono" quando poi sa che qualcuno gli toglierà le castagne dal fuoco. Nella stessa situazione, se Damon non fosse mai tornato a Mystic falls, che avrebbe fatto Stefan? Si sarebbe sporcato le mani? Credo di si. Quindi per me sono entrambi moralmente responsabili delle decisioni che prendono, indipendentemente da chi poi in effetti fa la cosa...se mi spiego.
Ribadisco che per me nè Damon nè Stefan sono cattivi o buoni, sono persone con una loro complessità che agiscono in modo più o meno corretto a seconda delle circostanze. Come tutti del resto. Non c'è nessuno uin questo show che non abbia fatto cose dicsutibili ( per esempio anche riportare in vita Jeremy è stato un sovvertire l'ordine naturale delle cose, che le streghe amano tanto difendere e per cui Esther vuole uccidere i figli---BITCH!..scusa ma proprio non mi piace :)))).
Sono con te, parlo molto più di Stefan che di Damon perchè Damon mi piace proprio com'è, con pregi e difetti, mentre Stefan ha trovato una dimensione interessante solo dalla fine della seconda stagione per me.
Vedi che poi non è che siamo tanto in disaccordo?!?!
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:29 am (UTC)YES
I dunno about Stefan's characterization, I have no idea what's going on with him. It's not consistent at all, and that's just frustrating with that character.
I'm sad that Elijah is gone once again, I just really don't want him to die..for real, not just being daggered. So Klaus and Rebekah really need to find that white oak tree and burn it down.
I love all of the Originals, even Finn with all of his uselessness lol I think I'd really just like to find out more about him. More about him and Kol, since we know quite a bit about Elijah, Klaus, and Rebekah already. The only one I don't like, of course, is Esther. I mean..if she had ended up killing all of her children, was she going to then kill herself too? She's technically an "abomination" as well. If we go by what her definition of an abomination is, basically anything not natural, then she'd have to kill herself too.
I really wanted Stefan to be the one to turn Abby. It would have made him more interesting and showed that he doesn't have to have his brother do all the dirty work all the time.
First time I've actually felt sorry for Bonnie, well, since her Grams died. I wonder what AbbyVampire will be like..hopefully more awesome than her witch self lol
And, well, Damon does no wrong, well ever, in my opinion, so he will always win the episode for me lol
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Date: 2012-02-19 11:39 am (UTC)I get what they want to do but they are not doing it very well imo.
I'm sad that Elijah is gone once again, I just really don't want him to die..for real, not just being daggered. So Klaus and Rebekah really need to find that white oak tree and burn it down.
Totally agree with you and I want Kol back.
She's technically an "abomination" as well. If we go by what her definition of an abomination is, basically anything not natural, then she'd have to kill herself too.
Apparentely the witches are self-righteous and since they work for the spirits of Nature, they don't consider themselves a problem.
I really wanted Stefan to be the one to turn Abby. It would have made him more interesting and showed that he doesn't have to have his brother do all the dirty work all the time.
But this is why Damon is so much more compelling. He is not afraid of being who he is. He is a vampire who has let his humanity slip in and deals with it.
First time I've actually felt sorry for Bonnie, well, since her Grams died.
yep me too.
And, well, Damon does no wrong, well ever, in my opinion, so he will always win the episode for me lol
He does win. Always. TEAM DAMON!
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:54 am (UTC)Kol & Rebekah were highly entertaining. I was laughing out loud. I love the whole Original family with the exception of Esther and Finn (even their names sound lame to me).
I'm certainly loving jealous Elena and I join you in slapping Stefan with his 'holier than thou' attitude. Really, after everything you've done, Stefan, you still think you're better than Damon??? He needs to get over himself. It really is too bad that the show hasn't put in an acceptable amount of work into his characterization. I can't keep up with who he is supposed to be and have given up trying, to some extent.
I have very little interest in Bonnie (pretty much only when she's with Caroline & Elena) and also feel that witches in general have this overriding belief in their 'rightness'. The vampires generally acknowledge their shortcomings, the humans own up to their screw-ups, but the witches seem to have this view that they know always know best and are somehow self-righteous since they are servants of nature and restore balance. It just feels skewed to me.
I loved that Damon was selfless with Stefan by saving him more guilt and shouldering the blame with Elena.
I still do NOT understand Stefan's actions at all in this episode. He knew he'd lost the coin toss and he went after Bonnie??? How does that make any sense at all??? I hope the writers put some more thought into where his character is going before the end of this season.
I would so love to have Klaus, Rebekah, Elijah, and Kol all stay in Mystic Falls. Oh well, guess I'll have to be content with only the first two.
WORD to everything you said in your character spiels about Damon, Stefan, Elena, and the Originals. We really do share but a single fangirl brain.
That reference from Tumblr is awesome and makes complete sense to me. Elena needs to have breathing room from Damon to sort through the massive tangle of her emotions. I'm fine with an attempt to get back together with Stefan, so long as it simply serves to show her once and for all that they are done.
Now I'm going to go off and read the other good insight into DE that you linked to, and then go to sleep ;D
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Date: 2012-02-19 10:54 am (UTC)Kol & Rebekah were highly entertaining. I was laughing out loud. I love the whole Original family with the exception of Esther and Finn (even their names sound lame to me).
eheheheheeh Kol is so so mean...I love him and his bond with his sister. I also loved how Klaus was enjoying watching them bikering. I felt sorry for them btw. Their parents screwed up with them big time.
Stefan, you still think you're better than Damon???
You know, i don't think Stefan really thinks he is better than Damon. It's just his attitude when he talks to him. IMo Stefan thinks that neither him nor Damon deserve to be happy and to be loved, but he is not able to take a step forward and admit that Damon has changed for the best. My problme with Stefan is that looks like he doesn't know his brother at all.
Yet he loves him above all.
and also feel that witches in general have this overriding belief in their 'rightness'.
Exactly. And they are so wrong. Just see what Esther did.
The vampires generally acknowledge their shortcomings, the humans own up to their screw-ups, but the witches seem to have this view that they know always know best and are somehow self-righteous since they are servants of nature and restore balance.
Nature is not always fair and they created vampires, so yeah I totally agree with you.
I loved that Damon was selfless with Stefan by saving him more guilt and shouldering the blame with Elena.
Our boy was flawless! Well actually I wish the brothers think twice about killing Abby, but they are vampires and they do what it has to be done. It's a matter of priorities.
He knew he'd lost the coin toss and he went after Bonnie???
I think he went to stop her from stopping Damon and to make sure he had a chance just in case Damon didn't succeed. It's my only explanation. Bonnie was really scared btw.
I would so love to have Klaus, Rebekah, Elijah, and Kol all stay in Mystic Falls. Oh well, guess I'll have to be content with only the first two.
KOOOOOOOLLLLLL, I want KOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!!
We really do share but a single fangirl brain.
And if you are interested I plan to make some more insight during this awful hiatus.
Hope you are having your beauty Damon sleep!
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Date: 2012-02-20 01:34 am (UTC)I'm definitely interested in reading more of your insight. I have a couple of ideas for some posts as well to fill up the absence of Damon.
Re: More complete response ;)
Date: 2012-02-20 08:13 am (UTC)3 weeks, how can they do this to us?
Will post when I have some time :)
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:33 pm (UTC)Poor Damon. He says that not everything he does is about Elena but a lot is.
I am kinda impressed that Elena went to Carolines house. She had to have known Bonnie wouldn't want to see her. But I also like the fact that Caroline was very upfront about it not being about Elena. Bonnie needs and deserves some time.
And the boys...both the original boys and the Salvatores broke me. Rick better not be dead.
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Date: 2012-02-19 04:16 pm (UTC)Yes a lot is, but Damon is well aware he has done everything he could and now he is entitled to step back.
I agree about Caroline and Bonnie reactions, but it wasn't Elena fault this time. Damon and Stefan planned it once their firts plan failed, so yeah I get Elena too.
Agreed all the families broke me. The Originals have been so scrweed up by their parents decisions and teh Salvatores, well they love each other so much that it hurts them both sometimes.
Ric won't be dead.
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Date: 2012-02-19 07:15 pm (UTC)There is no going back to where they were for Stefan and Elena. But I think that on this show, it might still happen. Had he not threatened to drive her off the bridge... Seeing all those names didn't even seem to make her pause, but when he made it about her he crossed the line maybe? I don't know what to expect with this show. She might still forgive him. The anonymous people and Andie didn't change her mind but maybe him driving her to Wickery Bridge might.
I didn't see it as Elena's fault either. But the fact is that people have died in Bonnies life before while doing things for ELena or keeping her safe. So I do udnerstand Bonnies need for a little distance from her. And like it or not, Elena does still have feelings for a person who LOVED killing people. Because that is what was implied in the beginning of the Ripper arc. To Bonnie each individual life seems to matter. To Elena it doesn't seem to matter as much. Her reaction to Andie being killed and to seeing those names on the wall show that. She is still supporting both Stefan and Damon, when I don't think Bonnie would anymore. I remember her saying to Caroline that even though it was an accident, the person Caroline killed was still dead. I do think loyalty should have it's limits. Hopefully Elena will begin to see that.
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Date: 2012-02-20 08:46 am (UTC)GUH!
I don't think he is dead and I can't wait to see Damon reaction to all of this.
She might still forgive him. The anonymous people and Andie didn't change her mind but maybe him driving her to Wickery Bridge might.
I think she will forgive him and I do think they will get back together for a while. Then they would realize that their relationship can't go on and break up.
So I do udnerstand Bonnies need for a little distance from her.
I do too. Damon and Stefan tried to go with another plan but it failed. It was their last option. None but Elijah was to be blamed for it. And Esther with her crazy plan.
And like it or not, Elena does still have feelings for a person who LOVED killing people. Because that is what was implied in the beginning of the Ripper arc.
Very well put. She has always lived in denial about Stefan. Stefan was the good, Damon the bad brother. I guess now she is starting to see things differentely and accepting the idea that vamps nature leads them to kill people.
Her reaction to Andie being killed and to seeing those names on the wall show that.
Her lack of reaction, I'd say.
She is still supporting both Stefan and Damon, when I don't think Bonnie would anymore
I don't know. I think Bonnie is not better than them. The witches are self-righteous imo. They think to be always right and they refuse to see the good in the other spn beings. esther was in the first place. She created vamps and then she decided they were not worth living. They act like they are the ones who have the right to decide who's good and who's bad. I don't like it all.
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Date: 2012-02-21 09:59 am (UTC)no subject
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