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Best thing of the episode: Damon interaction with Elijah and Klaus.
-Loved how Damon threated Elena. It's about time she understands Damon can't be there all the time.
-Kol and Rebekah! So much love for their interaction.
-Elijah is smart.
-Oh Rebekah you are going to be so hurt.
-Elena spent time venting about Damon...oh girl your jealousy is shining! Seriously.
-As much as I get Stefan and I understand his reasons, well I would slap him so hard when he has that "I am better than you" attitude.
-Go Elijah!!! Elena betrayed you..she deserved it. Hard to say who is the good and who is the bad, isn't it?
-Damon&Ric bromance....glimpses of it at least and protective!Damon. So much love.
-Damon is not the only one to be little judgmental, all MF is when it comes to Damon.
-Don't kill KOL too soon please.
-Why am I not even interested in what Bonnie and her mother do? I started out loving Bonnie so much, but right now...I just feel indifference.
-Witches piss me off.
-Give me more Damon&Elijah interaction. I love how Damon continues to just stand there like a BAMF when being threatened with his life.
-Gotta say Rebekah had a point, Elena is not exactly on her small list.
-Love Damon all badass. Divide and conquer!
-More Kol/Klaus please.
-Klaus/Caroline. Still liking them a lot.
-Esther, it's official, I dislike you. Finn, useless.
-KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL, no!
-Thank you Klaus, you saved my other babe.
-Damon is going to do the dirty work, as always. He just tossed a coin and it was there, ready to sacrifice himself and give Stefan another chance. I'd call it being selfless.
-Elena admitted that Rebekah wa tormenting her...talking about Damon. Jealousy.
-GAAAH the Originals Brothers!!!
-I am glad Esther acknowledged that Elijah has been a killer for his whole life. I love him, exactly like I love all the other vamps, but I do love them because they are vampires and because they fight to find a balance between their two natures, I don't love them because they try to hide (aka "as Stefan does"). So it's good the show addressed this issue.
-Damon and Stefan decided to turn Abby to save Elena (and the Originals). How far are they willing to go to save the life of one single person? Can you see the moral dilemma? They sacrificed another person freedom and spared the life of their worst enemies just to save Elena. I am ok they did, but can you see how many issues this brings along with it? I don't think Stefan is less guilty than Damon. Stefan didn't even flinch. Stefan talked, Damon acted. It's always like that, but they did agree and they were together in this. No difference, no one is better than the other one. When it comes to save Elena, they are both able to make the hardest decisions and move on easily, because they are not just humans. They are vampires.
-Stefan went after Bonnie and not after Abby? Stefan???? WTH is wrong with you? Writers you could have written a wonderful character development and you screwed up with Stefan this season. It's characterization has been all over the place and it doesn't make any sense...but to this extent?
-Damon and Bonnie are the one who always get hurt, not just Bonnie. Btw I am sorry for her, because she is the one who always pays the highest price.
-Of course Damon still loves her, Stefan....I wish you could drop that facade and tell your brother that you love him and understand him.
-Poor writing: Stefan was on human blood all summer, he should be a blood junkie but he's apparently giving up drinking blood. In S1 he drank less and he was a real mess and now he is ok with being blood free all of sudden? Come on...
-Loved, loved Elijah with Rebekah. Can I please have all the four of them together?
-The cliffhanger is Ric shot by Meredith...Damon is so so right about her.
CHARACTERS
Damon
-Loves me some old sarcastic, badass Damon. He was flawless again in this episode. He stood up for himself with Elena, not giving a crap of what she thinks (of course it's not true, but it was very much needed to make Elena understand that she can't take him for granted), selfless because he did the dirty work, sparing Stefan to do it since he is used to be considered the bad guy and he even if he is hurt, he can get over it quickly. Damon did it because he understood his brother was trying to detox and dealing with some other guilt would have been hard for him. Damon did it to give Stefan some break. To help him to get to his usual self. Damon gave Stefan another chance with himself and with Elena. I would love him forever just for this.
It hurt me to see how much he was resigned at the idea of Elena not wanting him, but I am glad that is aware he tried to win her over honestly. Plus this personal growth is what makes damon the most compelling character in my book. Personal growth Stefan lacks in. Damon will have some pay off, I am sure of it.
oh btw is not true she doesn't want you, Damon. Just not now.
Stefan
-He really doesn't get his brother sometimes. He is so annoying when he has that "holier than you" attitude. I can't believe he did have to ask Damon why he decided to turn Abby, even if it should have been him...seriously Stefan? Such an idiot sometimes. He still doesn't get that his brother would do anything for him, would sacrifice everything for the persons he loves. Including his chance to be with Elena. That's why he turned Abby. To give his baby bro the chance to shine and not spare him another guilt to deal with.But Stefan is as much guilty and screwed up as Damon is, no better than him. My real problem with Stefan is that if he thinks that Elena is better without him,he is not able to let her go and admit that Damon might be good for her. Now I get that probably not even Damon is the best possible choice, but Stefan is not willing to give this love a possibility. He is not that selfless. Mixed feeling about baby bro. I think I prefer ripper!Stefan.
One more thing: I hope Stefan tells everyone that it should have been him to turn Abby, but Damon chose to be him...I want some kind of mirror scene when before kissing Elena, Damon told her that Stefan didn't betray them but saved him.
Elena
-Not much to say about her after this episode. She was brave in dealing with Rebekah, but she and everyone need to realize that she is ready to do dirty things he to get what she wants. She doesn't kill maybe, but she betrayed Elijah, she stabbed Rebekah in her back, she hurt Damon for no reason. But she whined and bitched for the whole episode about Damon sleeping with Rebekah. To me this is jealousy, showing BIG TIME. The look on her face when Damon told her that he didn't pick up the phone bacuse he was busy or when she asked Damon if he was under vervain...something has changed in Damon attitude and Elena got it.
I am ok with her wanting to talk and see Stefan again, because actually what it looked to me, was not love, true love, but wanting him back to talk, to help jim through his issues. Looked to me like a strong love that is slowly becoming more like a friendship.
If i see it in this way I can be ok with Elena being all over Stefan again just like nothing had happened.
THE ORIGINALS
Finn is useless, Esther is a bitch.
Elijah is BAMF! Klaus is still the one who makes me feel for him since he has those puppy eyes even when he kills...o
Rebekah is a very interesting character and Kol is the annoying, cocky, snarky little brother.I JUST LOVE HIM!
Honestly I have read some things before watching the episode and I was a little scared. Things like "Damon always does the dirty work, saves everyone and then get's sent to the corner and put to shame."....but as much as I see where this is comes from, I don't agree. None put him to shame. Actually Stefan was feeling sorry and thanked his brother for what he did. Elena might even be pissed off at him for a while, but she should be at Stefan too. Plus she was the one willing to betray everyone to get rid of Klaus. Elena needed to be saved. That was the only way.
Quoting this stuff from http://ktc1980.tumblr.com/ about Damon and Elena situation right now. I agree.
She tried calling him ten times.Elena was jealous, to such an obvious extent she told everyone she knewJeremy may even have a weird ranting voicemail waiting for him about Damon sleeping with Rebekah. Damon stood up for himself. Damon accepted that while he’s in love with her, she’s not in love with him, and doesn’t want to be with him. Which, I’m sorry, is true in canon right now - they’re not nearly on the same page. Elena has barely let herself acknowledge that she has feelings for him that are stronger than sexual attraction. She’s not over her boyfriend yet, which Damon knew when he said that they’re right, just not right now.
So where are we now? Damon still in love with her, but he’s not gonna pine. He loves her enough to not stand in the way of a Stelena reunion. No one knows that Stefan was going to be the one to turn Abby until Damon stepped in, which is a secret too big to not get revealed. Elena has a tangle of emotions to sort through if she wants to make things right with Bonnie, because her decision effectively traded Abby for Elijah, and that Damon did it to save her.
With Damon not in her face everyday, not being there and touching her face and declaring himself and whatnot, Elena has a chance to think about him, examine her own feelings, and miss him. And want him back.
This is another good insight on D/E D/E
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Date: 2012-02-17 09:23 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2012-02-17 11:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2012-02-17 12:13 pm (UTC)I loved having the snarky, BAMF Damon back as well. He was due for a comeback after having to be emotional, pining Damon for the first part of this season. ITA that Elena needed to be shown that she takes him for granted.
I'm glad we had some Salvatore brother interaction, but you are right that Stefan's characterization has been erratic this season. I loved that Damon turned Abby to spare Stefan and totally did not see that coming. I thought he was going to kill her.
I was okay with Elena calling Stefan, as well, because it didn't feel like a desperate trying-to-get-him-back move.
I could go on some more, but I'm at work (how rude that it's getting in the way of our fangirl bonding ;). I'll be posting my thoughts after I rewatch it tonight.
*hugs*
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Date: 2012-02-17 01:36 pm (UTC)I just want my brothers, I don't even care about the triangle anymore, give me Salvatores' LOVE!!!♥
Klaus/Kol and Klaus/Caroline are amazing, no?
Elena was so jealous, I agree.
Where is my Ripper? I'm tired of Stefan's characterisation.
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Date: 2012-02-17 04:34 pm (UTC)And being a SPN die hard fan i can't help but make this comparison between Stefan/Sam. Every single time Stefan puts that mask of holier than God on, it makes me think of Sam. How many times he lied to Dean and pretended that nothing was wrong, that he didn't know about Azazel that he didn't drink the demon blood, that the thought he was the strongest among them all, and you remember where that got us. Damon is as selfless and wonderful as Dean is, even though he prefers it for the world to see him as a bad guy. And i def prefer ripper!Stefan, it was much more awesome than this faked version who can act like being perfectly sane after not drinking blood for such extended period of time, blah.
I really LOVE Elijah! He's so awesome, that calm attitude of his that hides so much power. Glad that Ester is out of the picture for now, but i want Kol back, hehe.
Poor Bonnie, being friends with Elena will always be a hardship for her...
"I thought i could win her from you, fair and square. She didn't want me...It's for the best, i,m better being the bad guy anyway"...*Sobs*. Damn, Damon...
Wish you a lovely weekend, darling and Happy SPN day:)
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Date: 2012-02-17 06:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2012-02-18 01:25 am (UTC)Now we're getting hints of old holier than thou arrogant Stefan, with no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever (excuse me?), and clear indication that the writers may be going right back to basics between he and Elena. I'm sorry but too much water has passed under the bridge for anything to go back to the way it was, including Elena keeping Damon at arm's length while acting snotty about his extracurricular activities.
Otherwise, I liked everything to do with the Original story arc, including making Esther look like the raging bitch she is. What is it with the witches on this show? They're always the least sympathetic characters. On the flipside, Esther's behavior is actually making Klaus appear more and more sympathetic, so that's a good thing. And I'm kind of rooting for him and Caroline. Tyler can just stay away, as far as I'm concerned. ;)
Sure, I feel a little bad that Bonnie keeps getting the crap end of the stick each time everyone puts Elena's safety first; but, again, I don't lose too much sleep over it because the witches just aren't interesting or very sympathetic.
And I love that Damon was right - Dr. Meredith IS a psycho! And Alaric dies again. Apparently he's going for a record. ;)
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Date: 2012-02-18 06:01 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2012-02-18 10:24 am (UTC)I um, posted a rather lengthy response on arabian's lj that I won't repeat here, but it basically comes down to I agree and I love Damon very much! :D He continues to be awesome and I'm loving it!
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Date: 2012-02-18 01:42 pm (UTC)Now Damon has been a little wishy washy to me. Yes he's in love. And yes he's been awesome, but he's stopped being the badass. The best thing about Damon is that he doesn't apologize for who he is. He doesn't stop drinking human blood or sexing it up because he's in love. But I feel this season, we've been denied the out and out ruthless Damon of Season 1. He's been slightly mopey and on Elena's leash. Me no likey!
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Date: 2012-02-18 04:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2012-02-18 07:18 pm (UTC)Ti dico cosa penso onestamente e spero che possiamo avere un'analisi costruttiva dell'episodio.
Vale, secondo me sei sempre troppo critica nei confronti di Stefan, quasi merciless direi. Gli hai dato una mezza stellina d'oro quando se ne è andato con Klaus e ha buttato all'aria la sua vita per salvare le persone a cui teneva a casa (e non solo Elena ma anche Damon) e adesso è di nuovo il selfish, idiot, brother che non capisce Damon.
Io ho apprezzato Damon TANTISSIMO in questo episodio. Quello che ha fatto merita tanto di cappello. Però non vedo niente di sbagliato in come Stefan si è comportato. Non credo affatto che si senta superiore a Damon. E onestamente se anche inconsciamente stesse cercando di riprendersi la vita che aveva prima e che ha dovuto dare via contro la sua volontà, non ci vedrei niente di strano. Che poi le cose nel frattempo siano cambiate e magari tornare a come era prima non è possibile ci sta. Ma che lui lo speri mi sembra normale.
Ciò non vuol dire che credo che Damon gli debba cedere Elena e la parte del fratello buono solo perchè "gli spetta di diritto". Sono propensa a credere che Damon si sacrifichi sempre per amore di suo fratello MA ti dico anche che se lui non pensasse che Elena non lo ricambia e lo ha rifiutato, non so se le cose sarebbero andate esattamente come sono andate.
Detto ciò, io non voglio Damon e Elena insieme. Credo che quando Damon fa il love sick puppy si instupidisce, diventa lame e poco interessante. Almeno Stefan ce lo hanno presentato così dalla prima stagione e lui ed Elena si meritano a vicenda. Damon per me deve essere indipendente, magari anche caring, non per forza the "bad guy" ma sicuramente più interesting di come l'hanno presentato negli ultimi episodi.
E poi questa storia dei due fratelli innamorati della stessa donna è così trita e ritrita ormai. Ce la propina dovunque. E Damon e Stefan sono due tools perchè non possono pensare che qualsiasi mezzo sia lecito per salvare Elena. Elena deve anche saper cavarsela da sola. Vorrei tanto che entrambi si liberassero di questa schivitù ma ovviamente non sarà possibile e uno dei due sarà sempre quello buono che vince la ragazza e l'altro il reietto rifiutato. *rolls eyes*
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:29 am (UTC)YES
I dunno about Stefan's characterization, I have no idea what's going on with him. It's not consistent at all, and that's just frustrating with that character.
I'm sad that Elijah is gone once again, I just really don't want him to die..for real, not just being daggered. So Klaus and Rebekah really need to find that white oak tree and burn it down.
I love all of the Originals, even Finn with all of his uselessness lol I think I'd really just like to find out more about him. More about him and Kol, since we know quite a bit about Elijah, Klaus, and Rebekah already. The only one I don't like, of course, is Esther. I mean..if she had ended up killing all of her children, was she going to then kill herself too? She's technically an "abomination" as well. If we go by what her definition of an abomination is, basically anything not natural, then she'd have to kill herself too.
I really wanted Stefan to be the one to turn Abby. It would have made him more interesting and showed that he doesn't have to have his brother do all the dirty work all the time.
First time I've actually felt sorry for Bonnie, well, since her Grams died. I wonder what AbbyVampire will be like..hopefully more awesome than her witch self lol
And, well, Damon does no wrong, well ever, in my opinion, so he will always win the episode for me lol
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:54 am (UTC)Kol & Rebekah were highly entertaining. I was laughing out loud. I love the whole Original family with the exception of Esther and Finn (even their names sound lame to me).
I'm certainly loving jealous Elena and I join you in slapping Stefan with his 'holier than thou' attitude. Really, after everything you've done, Stefan, you still think you're better than Damon??? He needs to get over himself. It really is too bad that the show hasn't put in an acceptable amount of work into his characterization. I can't keep up with who he is supposed to be and have given up trying, to some extent.
I have very little interest in Bonnie (pretty much only when she's with Caroline & Elena) and also feel that witches in general have this overriding belief in their 'rightness'. The vampires generally acknowledge their shortcomings, the humans own up to their screw-ups, but the witches seem to have this view that they know always know best and are somehow self-righteous since they are servants of nature and restore balance. It just feels skewed to me.
I loved that Damon was selfless with Stefan by saving him more guilt and shouldering the blame with Elena.
I still do NOT understand Stefan's actions at all in this episode. He knew he'd lost the coin toss and he went after Bonnie??? How does that make any sense at all??? I hope the writers put some more thought into where his character is going before the end of this season.
I would so love to have Klaus, Rebekah, Elijah, and Kol all stay in Mystic Falls. Oh well, guess I'll have to be content with only the first two.
WORD to everything you said in your character spiels about Damon, Stefan, Elena, and the Originals. We really do share but a single fangirl brain.
That reference from Tumblr is awesome and makes complete sense to me. Elena needs to have breathing room from Damon to sort through the massive tangle of her emotions. I'm fine with an attempt to get back together with Stefan, so long as it simply serves to show her once and for all that they are done.
Now I'm going to go off and read the other good insight into DE that you linked to, and then go to sleep ;D
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:33 pm (UTC)Poor Damon. He says that not everything he does is about Elena but a lot is.
I am kinda impressed that Elena went to Carolines house. She had to have known Bonnie wouldn't want to see her. But I also like the fact that Caroline was very upfront about it not being about Elena. Bonnie needs and deserves some time.
And the boys...both the original boys and the Salvatores broke me. Rick better not be dead.
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