MY THANK YOU POST TO ERIC KRIPKE
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Few thoughts, just to get them off my chest, written a couple of days after the finale and not very coherent :)
I feel like I have lost something very important for me. This is because the show as I know and love it, won’t ever come back.
I think that what will happen at the beginning of the new season is easily predictable and honestly I don't mind. I mean, whatever they will do, the show will be a new one for me because, imo, Kripke finished is story.
If Dean will give up hunting and Sam will hunt and then they will come back together, they will be two different persons, different from the ones they were 5 years ago. Their relationship will be different and this is a whole new show for me. In a good way.
So back to my point: imho Kripke gave the show the closure he has always wanted to. He told us the story of these two brothers, showing us how they were able to grow up and overcome their own fears and issues.
Sam finally embraced his destiny and chose to redeem himself, sacrificing himself. What else could Sam do? The moment they decided for that plan, he knew, we all knew he was doomed. I think that was an easy way out and that it didn’t do Sam justice, but I loved the journey the little brother made to accept who he was and how much important was his family for him. To finally admit that Dean was the most important thing in his life, more than anything else.
I think the last scene, if Sam is Sam (and I am pretty sure KRIPKE has left that open so that Gamble could write her own story), means that Sam has to let Dean go as much as Dean has to let him go.
Sam has never given up on Dean (not in Faith, not in S3, not in Point of No Return) because Dean has always been part of his life. Now for Sam too is time to be on his own.
Dean closed his journey too, coming to accept that he couldn’t save everyone. Yes, as Dean said in S1, he is the one who buried all his family and the price he is paying, to be the one who has been left behind, won’t ever allow Dean to be completely happy.
Anyway I think that Kripke was trying to tell us that there was still hope. They left Dean hopeless until 5.18 and for this they were all losing. Now they have all lost something, but on a personal level they have also won. Sam because he finally accepted himself, Dean because he finally accepted to be free.
Why did he have to lose everything in order to be free? Because Dean is a hero and plot wise there isn’t a hero who has been completely and utterly happy. He will adjust to his new life, he will even succeed in it even though in a little part of his heart he will always miss something.
Is it negative? For me it’s just human. Dean’s greatest fear was to lose his family, but what he wanted the most was not to lose his humanity. He got it, he pays the price, forever.
A friend asked me how I feel now since I have always thought that Dean would have died in the finale. I told her that I am happy he didn’t because with him alive the finale showed me the absolute unbelievable strength that Dean Winchester has. He wanted to die or bring Sam back, but he didn’t do any of that. He drowned in his sufferance and allowed himself some comfort and a chance to have a normal life.
How strong has to be a person to live a life he doesn’t want to fully live? How strong has to be to deal day by day with the pain and the desperation until he adjusts to live with these feelings and they will turn in something subtle?
For me Kripke was telling us that there is still hope, even when everything is lost. If you want to see it, depends on you and on how strong you are. There’s no comfort for the weaks, there’s no relief. So all of this heartbroke me, but at the same time, if the series had ended like that, I would have been satisfied.
I am afraid next season will screw up with all of this. That’s why I consider this the end of SPN because both the boys had their closure. Both the boys lost and won at the same time.
I have never felt like that about a tv show. Even when they screwed up with X Files or when Buffy and Angel ended. I felt pissed off when Dark Angel got cancelled because Alec didn’t have the chance to show all his potential as a character. I have never felt like that because while with my other shows, I have loved the shows more than the characters, with SPN I love the characters more than the show. In Buffy for example I was never fond of any of the characters (but Angel) and I was never emotionally involved. At least not as much as I am with SPN. SPN is all about the characters. If they ruins them, they spoil the show for me. I am not talking about what they do, the screen time or the big arch. I’m talking about their integrity as persons. If they follow the path that has been written for them on an a personal level, I don’t care about who saves the day or about the plot. That’s why I didn’t want Dean to say yes. It would have been the denial of Dean Winchester and his beliefs. SPn didn’t do that to the characters, no if I look at the bigger picture that for me it was so clear in the finale.
What will come next is a big puzzle, but I am willing to enjoy the ride, because as
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That's insane but I love Dean as if he was real, and I can't abandon him because I can't abandon a friend, I can't abandon him. It's exhausting, it hurts, it breaks my heart again and again and again, I get angry in many occasions because life is not fair to him, but I can't leave him. My beloved Dean.
and
I just want a hero who is real and who is broken and who never stops fighting and who loves and who hates and who lives and bleeds and despairs and rejoices and gets dirty and cleans up and looks good doing every single one of those things. I want the escape and I want to fall in love each week and I want to be inspired. And I have been. I have been 100 times over
That’s what SPN has been for me in the last five years.
SUPERNATURAL has been a great, intense, powerful emotional journey and at the end of the day, this is what is important to me.
I think Kripke deserves a big THANK YOU for it.
I feel like I have lost something very important for me. This is because the show as I know and love it, won’t ever come back.
I think that what will happen at the beginning of the new season is easily predictable and honestly I don't mind. I mean, whatever they will do, the show will be a new one for me because, imo, Kripke finished is story.
If Dean will give up hunting and Sam will hunt and then they will come back together, they will be two different persons, different from the ones they were 5 years ago. Their relationship will be different and this is a whole new show for me. In a good way.
So back to my point: imho Kripke gave the show the closure he has always wanted to. He told us the story of these two brothers, showing us how they were able to grow up and overcome their own fears and issues.
Sam finally embraced his destiny and chose to redeem himself, sacrificing himself. What else could Sam do? The moment they decided for that plan, he knew, we all knew he was doomed. I think that was an easy way out and that it didn’t do Sam justice, but I loved the journey the little brother made to accept who he was and how much important was his family for him. To finally admit that Dean was the most important thing in his life, more than anything else.
I think the last scene, if Sam is Sam (and I am pretty sure KRIPKE has left that open so that Gamble could write her own story), means that Sam has to let Dean go as much as Dean has to let him go.
Sam has never given up on Dean (not in Faith, not in S3, not in Point of No Return) because Dean has always been part of his life. Now for Sam too is time to be on his own.
Dean closed his journey too, coming to accept that he couldn’t save everyone. Yes, as Dean said in S1, he is the one who buried all his family and the price he is paying, to be the one who has been left behind, won’t ever allow Dean to be completely happy.
Anyway I think that Kripke was trying to tell us that there was still hope. They left Dean hopeless until 5.18 and for this they were all losing. Now they have all lost something, but on a personal level they have also won. Sam because he finally accepted himself, Dean because he finally accepted to be free.
Why did he have to lose everything in order to be free? Because Dean is a hero and plot wise there isn’t a hero who has been completely and utterly happy. He will adjust to his new life, he will even succeed in it even though in a little part of his heart he will always miss something.
Is it negative? For me it’s just human. Dean’s greatest fear was to lose his family, but what he wanted the most was not to lose his humanity. He got it, he pays the price, forever.
A friend asked me how I feel now since I have always thought that Dean would have died in the finale. I told her that I am happy he didn’t because with him alive the finale showed me the absolute unbelievable strength that Dean Winchester has. He wanted to die or bring Sam back, but he didn’t do any of that. He drowned in his sufferance and allowed himself some comfort and a chance to have a normal life.
How strong has to be a person to live a life he doesn’t want to fully live? How strong has to be to deal day by day with the pain and the desperation until he adjusts to live with these feelings and they will turn in something subtle?
For me Kripke was telling us that there is still hope, even when everything is lost. If you want to see it, depends on you and on how strong you are. There’s no comfort for the weaks, there’s no relief. So all of this heartbroke me, but at the same time, if the series had ended like that, I would have been satisfied.
I am afraid next season will screw up with all of this. That’s why I consider this the end of SPN because both the boys had their closure. Both the boys lost and won at the same time.
I have never felt like that about a tv show. Even when they screwed up with X Files or when Buffy and Angel ended. I felt pissed off when Dark Angel got cancelled because Alec didn’t have the chance to show all his potential as a character. I have never felt like that because while with my other shows, I have loved the shows more than the characters, with SPN I love the characters more than the show. In Buffy for example I was never fond of any of the characters (but Angel) and I was never emotionally involved. At least not as much as I am with SPN. SPN is all about the characters. If they ruins them, they spoil the show for me. I am not talking about what they do, the screen time or the big arch. I’m talking about their integrity as persons. If they follow the path that has been written for them on an a personal level, I don’t care about who saves the day or about the plot. That’s why I didn’t want Dean to say yes. It would have been the denial of Dean Winchester and his beliefs. SPn didn’t do that to the characters, no if I look at the bigger picture that for me it was so clear in the finale.
What will come next is a big puzzle, but I am willing to enjoy the ride, because as
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That's insane but I love Dean as if he was real, and I can't abandon him because I can't abandon a friend, I can't abandon him. It's exhausting, it hurts, it breaks my heart again and again and again, I get angry in many occasions because life is not fair to him, but I can't leave him. My beloved Dean.
and
I just want a hero who is real and who is broken and who never stops fighting and who loves and who hates and who lives and bleeds and despairs and rejoices and gets dirty and cleans up and looks good doing every single one of those things. I want the escape and I want to fall in love each week and I want to be inspired. And I have been. I have been 100 times over
That’s what SPN has been for me in the last five years.
SUPERNATURAL has been a great, intense, powerful emotional journey and at the end of the day, this is what is important to me.
I think Kripke deserves a big THANK YOU for it.
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Date: 2010-05-20 09:10 pm (UTC)Need to go watch season 1 again.
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:44 am (UTC)I didn't even know, but I was recc'ed in the SPN newsletter.
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Date: 2010-05-20 10:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-21 06:45 am (UTC)I said just thank you Eric because Jensen is still there...be ready for a long post when SPN will be over and Jensen will be thanked :)
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Date: 2010-05-20 10:22 pm (UTC)"I just want a hero who is real and who is broken and who never stops fighting and who loves and who hates and who lives and bleeds and despairs and rejoices and gets dirty and cleans up and looks good doing every single one of those things. I want the escape and I want to fall in love each week and I want to be inspired. And I have been. I have been 100 times over"
YES! That is it exactly!
♥Reiv
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:45 am (UTC)*clings*
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Date: 2010-05-20 10:47 pm (UTC)I love what you said about Dean and ITA. I though can't (and won't) forget how Kripke screwed dean's role in mytharc because it was important to me as a viewer and a fan. But i can say Thank you to him for coming up with the idea of the show and for casting Jensen because that last part was/is the point why i'm still watching.
We disagree on *saying yes* part because it think if they'd let him the whole story would turn out differently and, imo, better. But what's done is done *sigh* I can't accept the finale as kripke's way to finish his story though because the evidences of changes are there all over the season. I think if kripke would stick to his own plan the both brothers would be dead right now but i'm glad dean's alive and with Lisa right now. He deserves rest.
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:46 am (UTC)Agreed on Dean deserving rest :)
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Date: 2010-05-21 12:34 am (UTC)*HUGS*
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:47 am (UTC)Love you.
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Date: 2010-05-21 04:31 am (UTC)I thank Kripke for bringing the Winchesters in my life.
(via spnnewsletter)
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:48 am (UTC)I hope the tears were good ones.
*hugs you*
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:05 am (UTC)I honestly don't know what Sera will do (but I doubt that she will change it into a soap opera kind of thing), and honestly I do think that 5x22 was very influenced by S6 so it can't be as resolute for me you know?
How is Gaia feeling?
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:43 am (UTC)Not always an apple pie life means happy endings, not for them.
Gaia is ok, thank you :) You?
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Date: 2010-05-21 06:49 am (UTC)For now I had to post my farewell to my little precious show.
*hugs*
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Date: 2010-05-21 07:09 am (UTC)Reading the S6 general plot, i felt a little numb. Seeing Dean gave up hunting? But soon Sam appears and something is missing?
I'm also optimistic that things will change in the middle.
Kripke owns the show and gave us 5 glorious seasons.
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Date: 2010-05-21 08:08 am (UTC)Looks like they are building up a sl just so Cas can fit in and I am hopeful for mos season.
But that is not Kripke show anymore, that's what I was trying to say in this post :)
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Date: 2010-05-21 10:45 am (UTC)I agree with this post so much. Thank you for writing it.
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Date: 2010-05-21 12:31 pm (UTC)That's what I have been trying to tell you since last week and I am happy you liked it.
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Date: 2010-05-21 11:53 am (UTC)I do think he didn't actually get to finish it how he wanted to and I think imho that this is why the finale felt so much like Kripke's FU to the fandom. I don't really blame him for needing to do that, he copped a heap of crap from the fandom all the while battling with the studio to maintain the show how he originally saw it. I'm just more sad for Kripke that after 5 years he ended up quite bitter. Well at least that's how it came across to me anyway.
I always be very thankful for having Dean, but the Dean we have now is not just from Kripke, he is the product of the entire crew and Jensen. Yes, Kripke was show runner, but there were so many others that turned Dean into the character we now love. I just don't think all the thanks for Dean should go to Kripke cause for me he was only a part of developing him. But that's just my opinion and it's probably cause I'm one of those annoying people that always sees the team of people that creates something great (right down to the PA that got the coffee just right each morning) not just the main figure head.
*Shrugs*
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Date: 2010-05-21 12:29 pm (UTC)I'll do my thank you post for jensen when SPN will be over. This is why I haven't thanked anyone else.
Kripke is the only one who's not in the show anymore and he created SPN. That's why I only mentioned it.
O course the show is what it is because of all the crew.
As for the finale, imo Eric would have killed them both but I also think he wanted to leave us with some hope. He did pretty well imo.
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Date: 2010-05-22 06:04 pm (UTC)I think you are right when you say that the show we know is over. It feels like it is over, even though there will be a season 6. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will be a good season.
I'm just printing out your comments to read later ;)
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