4.16 thoughts
Mar. 22nd, 2009 06:23 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
x5valeHi flist, how are you? I'm ok, just busy and a little tired. Will catch up with you tomorrow but at least I managed to watch the last episode :)
I really enjoyed the episode and I love where SPN is going.
I wish I could be more coherent :)
-Castiel
I loved the interaction between Anna and Castiel. How she tried to open his eyes, how he was about to fall and then he refused to doubt.
Castiel is an awesome, complicated character. Doubts, fears, questions. He is like Dean. He doens't have easy answers anymore. He's not sure anymore. The way he talked to Uriel and Anna, his feeling so alone and ready to disobey, makes him so special and more able to understand humans. With Anna leaving him alone, Castiel had to find his way to deal with what was happening, just like Dean. He did and now he iscloser to the human beings he is supposed to protect.
Castiel vs Uriel
Uriel being the one killing the angels was a great idea. So much in that scene. Betrayal, love, faith, devotion...each of them fighting on a side, thinking to be right. But only one was.
Just like Dean and Sam.
I see the same conversation between the brothers.
Castiel and Dean.
Their relationship is getting stronger. They can fight, discuss, disagree, but I think in this moment they are bot together in this. While Dean and Sam are parting ways, Castiel and Dean are getting closer. Castiel is learning to see things through Dean's eyes, while Dean can only rely on Castiel for some answers.
Dean was the first seal to be broken, so he started everything, now he is the only one who can finish it. Guess because he is a beautiful soul.
The last scene between them broke me, because they were both broken, lost, alone.
-Dean
I loved every second of him in the episode. From the discussion he had with Uriel to the end, broken, tired Dean.
Torturing Alaistair? It didn't bother me. Dean was blackmailed...do it or go to Hell again. Uriel didn't say it but I guess it's what he meant. The angels played with Dean, his sense of guilt and responsability. Could really Dean refuse when Castiel said it's their only chance? No, for everything he had been taught during all his life, he couldn't simply say no.
I also think that there were so many mixed feelings in Dean when he was in front of Alaistair. He was having the chance of a payback, doing to the demon what he had done to him and I find it human, wrong maybe, but human.
Iloved the whole scene of the torture, what Alaistair said and how Dean reacted. New Dean? Less human? Maybe...Dean is both innocent and guilty and he knows, he chooses what to do and he pays for his choices. He never runs away.
I think he enjoyed torturing the demon while he was doing it. Then I think he regretted it, as a lot of the things he did in Hell.
Dean won't ever be the same. It's like a soldier who is fighting his last battle. He has nothing left to lose.
Alaistair revealed he was the first seal. This will burden him forever. De facto he was the righteous man who shed blood in Hell, this can't be changed. A good man turned in a cruel one to save himself.
Can Dean be blamed for this? I don't think so, but Dean will take the burden and live with it. He would be destroyed eventually but he won't run away. He would be tempted, but he will fight and even die for it. I guess he thinks there is no hope for him.
-Sam
He didn't believe Dean was strong enough to get the job done. He could be right but the point is that he wasn't against what the angels asked. No moral walls. Alaistair had to be tortured. He would have done it. No matter what the implications are.
So Sam is a demon blood addicted...It's time Sam stops to give moral jutification for what he does. It's time he learns to choose and accept the consequences of what he does without trying to justify himself. I don't balem him for drinking demon' blood, even though I think it's terribly wrong, I just want Sam to admit what he is doing without hiding. I want him to face Dean and tell him the truth, even if Dean will disapprove it. Sam has to come clean. He hides because he fears Dean's reaction? Sure, but imo he does because he is not totally convinced that he is doing the right thing. Either way, he needs to grow up. I am sad but I think that his reasons are not only saving the world, are more about him and how he feels. The sense of power he feels.
So clear when he was tortuting Alaistair. I have to say I don't agree with Sam's choices but I do love watching his evolution. I have the feeling this is going to separate him and Dean for a long time but I think it's needed and I think it's fair to Sam character giving him the chance of exploring what he really his.
-Sam allowed Ruby to call him Sammy...it was annoying but I don't think this need an explanation.
-Misha was awesome... and hot.
-Jensen was brilliant, he still amazes me with his talent. Oh yes...he was superhot!
My personal idea about where SPN is going? Dean and Sam fighting, their relationship destroyed and S5? About redemption, for both of them, about rebuilding themselves and their bond.
I really enjoyed the episode and I love where SPN is going.
I wish I could be more coherent :)
-Castiel
I loved the interaction between Anna and Castiel. How she tried to open his eyes, how he was about to fall and then he refused to doubt.
Castiel is an awesome, complicated character. Doubts, fears, questions. He is like Dean. He doens't have easy answers anymore. He's not sure anymore. The way he talked to Uriel and Anna, his feeling so alone and ready to disobey, makes him so special and more able to understand humans. With Anna leaving him alone, Castiel had to find his way to deal with what was happening, just like Dean. He did and now he iscloser to the human beings he is supposed to protect.
Castiel vs Uriel
Uriel being the one killing the angels was a great idea. So much in that scene. Betrayal, love, faith, devotion...each of them fighting on a side, thinking to be right. But only one was.
Just like Dean and Sam.
I see the same conversation between the brothers.
Castiel and Dean.
Their relationship is getting stronger. They can fight, discuss, disagree, but I think in this moment they are bot together in this. While Dean and Sam are parting ways, Castiel and Dean are getting closer. Castiel is learning to see things through Dean's eyes, while Dean can only rely on Castiel for some answers.
Dean was the first seal to be broken, so he started everything, now he is the only one who can finish it. Guess because he is a beautiful soul.
The last scene between them broke me, because they were both broken, lost, alone.
-Dean
I loved every second of him in the episode. From the discussion he had with Uriel to the end, broken, tired Dean.
Torturing Alaistair? It didn't bother me. Dean was blackmailed...do it or go to Hell again. Uriel didn't say it but I guess it's what he meant. The angels played with Dean, his sense of guilt and responsability. Could really Dean refuse when Castiel said it's their only chance? No, for everything he had been taught during all his life, he couldn't simply say no.
I also think that there were so many mixed feelings in Dean when he was in front of Alaistair. He was having the chance of a payback, doing to the demon what he had done to him and I find it human, wrong maybe, but human.
Iloved the whole scene of the torture, what Alaistair said and how Dean reacted. New Dean? Less human? Maybe...Dean is both innocent and guilty and he knows, he chooses what to do and he pays for his choices. He never runs away.
I think he enjoyed torturing the demon while he was doing it. Then I think he regretted it, as a lot of the things he did in Hell.
Dean won't ever be the same. It's like a soldier who is fighting his last battle. He has nothing left to lose.
Alaistair revealed he was the first seal. This will burden him forever. De facto he was the righteous man who shed blood in Hell, this can't be changed. A good man turned in a cruel one to save himself.
Can Dean be blamed for this? I don't think so, but Dean will take the burden and live with it. He would be destroyed eventually but he won't run away. He would be tempted, but he will fight and even die for it. I guess he thinks there is no hope for him.
-Sam
He didn't believe Dean was strong enough to get the job done. He could be right but the point is that he wasn't against what the angels asked. No moral walls. Alaistair had to be tortured. He would have done it. No matter what the implications are.
So Sam is a demon blood addicted...It's time Sam stops to give moral jutification for what he does. It's time he learns to choose and accept the consequences of what he does without trying to justify himself. I don't balem him for drinking demon' blood, even though I think it's terribly wrong, I just want Sam to admit what he is doing without hiding. I want him to face Dean and tell him the truth, even if Dean will disapprove it. Sam has to come clean. He hides because he fears Dean's reaction? Sure, but imo he does because he is not totally convinced that he is doing the right thing. Either way, he needs to grow up. I am sad but I think that his reasons are not only saving the world, are more about him and how he feels. The sense of power he feels.
So clear when he was tortuting Alaistair. I have to say I don't agree with Sam's choices but I do love watching his evolution. I have the feeling this is going to separate him and Dean for a long time but I think it's needed and I think it's fair to Sam character giving him the chance of exploring what he really his.
-Sam allowed Ruby to call him Sammy...it was annoying but I don't think this need an explanation.
-Misha was awesome... and hot.
-Jensen was brilliant, he still amazes me with his talent. Oh yes...he was superhot!
My personal idea about where SPN is going? Dean and Sam fighting, their relationship destroyed and S5? About redemption, for both of them, about rebuilding themselves and their bond.
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Date: 2009-03-22 05:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-22 05:49 pm (UTC)Love you
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Date: 2009-03-22 05:46 pm (UTC)so... I agree about Castiel, Dean, Uriel etc... except for one thing...
I DO understand the pain Dean must feel and how much tired, broken, demotivated he must be.. but honestly? I think he should use that anger he has inside in a better way and being more reactive. in the first scene when he is plastered against the Imapala window I wanted to punch him.. all "I don't care, I don't care, whatever".... good way to deal with the situation. And I know you're going to say he can't do anything because he has in front of him a wall and Sam keeps lying.. well maybe if he stopped saying they are okay and insisted on talking to him...
but of course I am here to defend Sam...
because for what I saw this episode was an apology of Sam along the toher things. I mean, it's so clear that EVERYTHING HE DOES, he does it for Dean... I really can't see the selfishness anywhere now. You're right, he should maybe come clean and get the consequences of his actions but except for that? what is he supposed to do? He is always left behind by the angels, he is excluded by THE PLAN, of course he goes looking for other ways then. Just think about how the angels disappeared on him and took Dean away in the beginning... what was he supposed to do? wait, arm crossed there like a stupid? no, he decided to use the things he had at his disposal that now are his powers and Ruby. Can you blame him?
People bash him because he is the bad guy, who is getting along with a demon (thing that I hate btw) but what would Dean do if the roles were inverted? He would do even worse, I tell you this. To get his revenge, to kill you made his brother suffer. He didn't resist not even a day when Sam died in AHBL before making the deal with the demon.. but that was okay because it was Dean and he was doing a gesture of love.
well, everyrthing Sam does, he does it for Dean, the episode proved it. And he still cares about Dean (see conversation Dean/Castiel in the hospital). Then we can blame his choices, his decisions, his ways, but that's it.
Sorry, I wrote a poem.. I hope you won't be offended by this. I just wanted to show you my point of view because I read such harsh comments on Sam all around and I just can't understand all this hate anymore. I think it's too easy to pick up on him as things are now.
*hugs*
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Date: 2009-03-22 06:04 pm (UTC)Sam is lost and confused as much as Dean. He should just realize it.
I know he cares about Dean, I know he tries but I think at the end his reasons will be different...make a deal...I have my own idea of how the season will end, let's talk about it at the end.
About Dean I think you want too much from him. He is not unbreakable but some fans just want him that way. On the opposite I want these ups and downs. I wrote that imo he won't give up but we can't pretend to have Dean only brave and reckless.
I have read a lot of Dean bashing too, but this is not Dean vs Sam...
About being him the one who must push Sam to talk, he told him he knew Sam was working with Ruby, he did ask him to talk but when Sam says no, it's no.
*hugs back*
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Date: 2009-03-22 06:12 pm (UTC)I agrreed with you on that... I think Sam deeps inside doesn't like what he is doing so he kind of doesn't want to admit it not even with himself... and remember his glance when Pam told him to think twice about what he was doing?
it's like he knows he is doing wrong in those moments but then he comes back to think he has to do it no matter what it takes...
and yeah, i know I demnad too much from Dean, it's just that it hurts to see him like that and honestly I do believe we'll see more from Dean Winchester.. he is not done yet. ;)
Sure it isn't Dean vs Sam... I got all protective with Sam when I see some hard comments against him that I think he doesn't deserve but I do the same with Dean, I assure you that...
oh and I forgot before... I agree on your vision of S4end/S5 and honestly I can't wait for them to rebuild their relationship. *hopes*
*muavh*
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Date: 2009-03-22 06:24 pm (UTC)Exactly...I agree with what you wrote about Dean and Sam. It hurts to see Dean that way and it bothers me to see Sam unable to accept what he is done. If you chose you must be mature enough to embrace your choice. Btw I guess its all a matter of time. Sam will do it.
have a nice evening darling!
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Date: 2009-03-22 06:27 pm (UTC)thanks, you too Vale.
:D
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Date: 2009-03-23 08:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-22 05:51 pm (UTC)Yep and people noticed.
"On the up side, Jensen Ackles gave one of his most devastating performances ever, as Dean wrestles with his need to inflict vengeful pain on his enemy and his fear of becoming his enemy.
Ackles could have gone over the top in many scenery-gobbling ways, but to the credit of the actor and director Mike Rohl ("Folsom Prison Blues"), he didn't. Not even once. Ackles was fiercely restrained and ferociously committed, and it was stunning. Truly."
And even with tubes in his nose and cameras in his face, Ackles brings the pain, while Misha Collins' most-excellent Castiel brings the pathos. "Then you're screwed," Dean says, while the tears in his eyes say, "But not as screwed as I am."
It is a sin and a shame that sci-fi shows can never shrug off their Cloak of Emmy Invisibility, because that was some award-winning work right there. "Battlestar Galactica" brothers and sisters, we feel your pain.
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/tvtracker/archives/supernatural/supernatural_on_the_head_1.html#more
From another review
"Again it's Jensen Ackles as Dean who's given the really good stuff to do and he shines like he always does."
http://chud.com/articles/articles/18602/1/THUD-REVIEW-SUPERNATURAL---quotON-THE-HEAD-OF-A-PINquot/Page1.html
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Date: 2009-03-22 06:20 pm (UTC)Grazie :)
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Date: 2009-03-22 06:21 pm (UTC)I agree as always and man, how good those two together! Dean-Cas's scenes are the best! *and hottest*
I agree about r-ship must be destroyed. It has to be done. And i'm so glad that with Sam's betrayal Dean at least has Cas on his side.
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Date: 2009-03-23 08:39 am (UTC)Dean too...the show is awesome :)
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Date: 2009-03-22 08:11 pm (UTC)un bacione
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Date: 2009-03-23 08:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-22 08:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-23 08:39 am (UTC)Sam & Dean
Date: 2009-03-22 08:39 pm (UTC)My thoughts on Sam not telling Dean about him drinking demon blood: Who drinks demon blood? That's just crazy. Sam has become a monster, the same kind of monster that they hunted in S1 & S2. He can't tell Dean because Dean has already said that if he didn't know Sam he would be hunting him.
It's like I've said all along-Ruby was/is seducing Sam, slowly leading him -through pleasure and his desire to do good- to the dark side.
She has got him addicted and now his pride is also growing, yet another big sin.
He is doing everything out of love and a desire to do good, NOW, but what about in the future when he may begin to think that he knows what's right better than anyone? He has already disobeyed a direct order from the angels...
Re: Sam & Dean
Date: 2009-03-23 08:41 am (UTC)Love your take on Sam. Road to Hell is paved...
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Date: 2009-03-22 08:41 pm (UTC)My personal idea about where SPN is going? Dean and Sam fighting, their relationship destroyed and S5? About redemption, for both of them, about rebuilding themselves and their bond.
*nods* they had better do it or else! if they don't then the core of the show will be destroyed and that's what's attacted me to the show in the first place! I know that it's too late for S4 and it's logical that it has to happen because of S2! but still I'm hating the lack of the brotherly relationship :(
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Date: 2009-03-23 08:41 am (UTC)I guess S5 will be about Lucifer and the boys, the angels and the boys...the boys and the boys again :)
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Date: 2009-03-23 05:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-22 08:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-23 08:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-23 06:07 am (UTC)Beautiful meta...
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Date: 2009-03-23 08:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-23 09:20 am (UTC)I ADORE this season even as it breaks me to pieces to see Dean so low.
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Date: 2009-03-23 10:46 am (UTC)