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x5vale“I know you want to stop it. Protect her from it. But you’re young. You don’t see what I see. It’s not just that she makes him a better person. She does, but, he changes her too. Damon challenges her, surprises her. He makes her question her life, beliefs. Stefan is different. His love is pure and he’ll always be good for her. Damon is either the best thing for her or the worst.”
— Rose to Jeremy, 3.19
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-I just love Caroline and Matt together.They are so cute. I also like him with Rebekah. I am just sorry he was fooling her.
-Kol...no love for you darling today.
-Tyler, I know I am going to feel sorry for him eventually.
-Rose!!!! Damn if I want her to be alive and be a good friend for Damon.
-Loved the Damon/Stefan phone call.
-Damon/Elena in that room...how they looked at each other and their hands...*is dead*
-IS DEAD! That was not a kiss, that was much more than a kiss...I have never seen so much passion, love and desire between Stefan and Elena...
-"you are so weak"...that's true.
-Perfect, Damon spoke the perfects words.
There is so much to say about the subtext and the connections in this episode. I am not even sure I'll be able to write down all my thoughts.
Stefan and Stefan/Alaric
I really liked that Stefan was so open with Ric. I do really think he sent Elena with Damon so she could figure out her feelings for him, but I also think he wanted to spare Damon to torture his best friend. I love the bonding.
I also enjoyed the parallel between Ric and Stefan darksides and how easy is for them to lose control. They are both weak, they are both still unable to figure out what to do with their alter-egos, but Stefan is one step ahead...what they both have to understand is that there is no control if there isn't self acceptance and while for Ric this is all new, Stefan has simply denied his nature for too long. I am glad that he is coming to accept it now.
Man, I so love Stefan...I do. His interaction with Klaus, they way he stood up to him. How he gave Elena the chance to explore her feelings. Not because she needed a free pass to do it, but because Steafn knew it would have been easier for her. Stefan is growing up so much...SO MUCH LOVE!
Kol/Rebekah/Klaus/Esther.
I think my excitment for Kol has faded away a bit, because I need complicated characters to get attracted to. Kol is just monodimensional. He's mean, revengeful, a not grown up annoying vampire...I'd like to see more of him though.
I am torn about the Originals. I don't want them to die, but I want them to leave. I don't really understand why some fans don't consider Klaus a threat anymore. He still is, as long as he won't give up to his army plan. He wants and needs Elena to be a slave. This is a threat and unfair. That being said, I think my favorite one is Rebekah. I was so sorry for her in this episode. First Matt, then Esther. Looks like none loves her, but everyone wants to use her.
How vile is for a mother to use a daughter like that? How judgemtal is Esther, who created them and now wants to destroy them? She played God once and she continues in her crazy plan.
No way I can like what she is doing.
Caroline.
Sorry, I might be the only one in the fandom, but I am kinda annoyed by her attitude right now. Even if it looks like Caroline is the only character everyone love, I don't think there is some sort of rule which states that Caroline Forbes is awesome and can't be questioned :) So I love her, but it's more interesting to deepen what I don't like in her than what I like. LOL!
Is Rebekah so different from her? Yes. Does she not deserve a chance (after all she didn't kill Damon when she could and she didn't want Kol to kill Matt)? No, she does...because at laest she is trying to be different.
Damon doesn't care about Tyler? True, that doesn't mean he's bad. It's all about priorities. I don't really think Caroline would have some doubts to have Damon or Rebekah or whover she doesn't care about to die to save her beloved ones. It's human. Anyway, I really loved how she tried to deal with Tyler when he found out about Klaus drawing. She wasn't really able to come up with an explanation.
I do think that Caroline is fascinated by Klaus, because he is charming, but this is far from being in love. If they want to go down this route (and I would like to see it), it has to be slow and some changes have to be made in Klaus.
Jeremy
He's another character I am torn about. He's young and confused, so I can deal with all the things I don't like about him. I loved his interaction with Rose. I have hopes he will open his mind and see the things and the persons for what they are.
Also, I always enjoy to see him and Damon interacting. They have a great chemistry.
Rose
It's not even funny how much I do miss her. She was perfect. She was old, wise. She could have been the friend Damon had never had in his life. Someone who was able to love him for who he really was. Someone who was able to see right through him and accept him for being good and bad.
Her last speech to Jeremy was perfect. It's true, Stefan is the safe harbor where Elena can always find love and peace, but missing the sparkles, that sense of completeness that only true love can give to a person. Not saying that Damon is necessarily her true love, but Stefan is not for sure imo.
Rose knows all of this and I am happy she wanted to make Jeremy aware of it.
I also enjoyed that she sat down close to Damon..I so wanted them to share a moment..
Damon/Elena/Damon&Elena
This is hard. I think Damon was pefect in this episode. He didn't go on that roadtrip thinking he could have a chance with Elena. Of course he had understood that there was something, but he just behaved as everything was normal..up until that moment in the room when Elena was looking at him. He lied down on the bed and was honest, once again. He told Elena why he is the way he is. Think about it...living with the pressure of not wanting to fail other people expectations is awful. Especially if you are a vampire. I love that Damon is always honest about who he is and what you can get from him. He doesn't fool people. He says "I am this man, love me or hate me, but you know who you are dealing with".
It baffled me how genuinely confused Elena was. It was like she had never spent time trying to figure out her feelings for him. You could clearly see that things were heating up to the point that she had to leave the room...then the kiss...ehm I'd say "sex with clothes on"...
but the most perfect scene for me was the one in Mary's house. When Elena finally told him that she is scared because he lashes out, because she doesn't know how to deal with this side of Damon (I guess she needs to learn with Stefan dark side too btw) and Damon being perfect (I know I have used this word too often today) because he wasn't blaming himself for once, he was not being all "oh Elena you are right, it's my fault, I am bad, I don't deserve you"...no Damon stood up for himself this time. He told her in the face that she has to figure it out on her own. That he won't sabotage things but that he is not going to change who he is for her, that he is there if she wants to but the choice is hers and she has to take the responsibilities of it. Did Elena hurt Damon? Maybe. Did Damon hurt Elena? Probably. She was hurt, because she realized that she can't hide anymore and that she has to decide what to do with her life. I can see her deciding to be on her own for a while. I can see Damon giving up on her because he truly loves her and he just wants her to be happy. I can see both Stefan and Damon do this.
Also I think Damon is now able to deal with a refusal. His love for Elena is healthy, it's not a destructive obsession like the one he felt for Katherine. Damon is stronger than we might have thought. He knows Elena feels something for him and he wants her to be with him, but not at all costs. There's Stefan too and his feelings. It's up to Elena and Elena only.
I am confident they will both respect her final decision.
I loved Damon words so much, because he has grown up so much. I don't care how much potential a character has if I don't see it developed. I love Damon Salvatore because imo the writers have done an awesome job in developing him step by step, episode by episode, season by season. Damon has rised and fallen many times during these three seasons, but everything he has done, hasn't been useless. It has been functional to build him up like he is now.
I do think he is the only character who has been developed so well so far...him and Elena too, even if it's harder to see.
To sum up my Damon/Elena are, quoting dot-dot-delena:
Stefan is Elena’s harbor, a safe place for her to remain, but Damon is the roaring, dangerous ocean that can sometimes be calm and sometimes be tremulous and even sometimes violent but always beautiful. A ship may be safe in a harbor, but thats not why they were built, they were created to sail the ocean forever.
“And the arms of the ocean are carrying me. All this devotion was rushing out of me, in the crushes of heaven for a sinner like me. But the arms of the ocean delivered me.”
I have much more to say, but words fail me at the moment.
HAPPY SPN DAY!!!
— Rose to Jeremy, 3.19
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-I just love Caroline and Matt together.They are so cute. I also like him with Rebekah. I am just sorry he was fooling her.
-Kol...no love for you darling today.
-Tyler, I know I am going to feel sorry for him eventually.
-Rose!!!! Damn if I want her to be alive and be a good friend for Damon.
-Loved the Damon/Stefan phone call.
-Damon/Elena in that room...how they looked at each other and their hands...*is dead*
-IS DEAD! That was not a kiss, that was much more than a kiss...I have never seen so much passion, love and desire between Stefan and Elena...
-"you are so weak"...that's true.
-Perfect, Damon spoke the perfects words.
There is so much to say about the subtext and the connections in this episode. I am not even sure I'll be able to write down all my thoughts.
Stefan and Stefan/Alaric
I really liked that Stefan was so open with Ric. I do really think he sent Elena with Damon so she could figure out her feelings for him, but I also think he wanted to spare Damon to torture his best friend. I love the bonding.
I also enjoyed the parallel between Ric and Stefan darksides and how easy is for them to lose control. They are both weak, they are both still unable to figure out what to do with their alter-egos, but Stefan is one step ahead...what they both have to understand is that there is no control if there isn't self acceptance and while for Ric this is all new, Stefan has simply denied his nature for too long. I am glad that he is coming to accept it now.
Man, I so love Stefan...I do. His interaction with Klaus, they way he stood up to him. How he gave Elena the chance to explore her feelings. Not because she needed a free pass to do it, but because Steafn knew it would have been easier for her. Stefan is growing up so much...SO MUCH LOVE!
Kol/Rebekah/Klaus/Esther.
I think my excitment for Kol has faded away a bit, because I need complicated characters to get attracted to. Kol is just monodimensional. He's mean, revengeful, a not grown up annoying vampire...I'd like to see more of him though.
I am torn about the Originals. I don't want them to die, but I want them to leave. I don't really understand why some fans don't consider Klaus a threat anymore. He still is, as long as he won't give up to his army plan. He wants and needs Elena to be a slave. This is a threat and unfair. That being said, I think my favorite one is Rebekah. I was so sorry for her in this episode. First Matt, then Esther. Looks like none loves her, but everyone wants to use her.
How vile is for a mother to use a daughter like that? How judgemtal is Esther, who created them and now wants to destroy them? She played God once and she continues in her crazy plan.
No way I can like what she is doing.
Caroline.
Sorry, I might be the only one in the fandom, but I am kinda annoyed by her attitude right now. Even if it looks like Caroline is the only character everyone love, I don't think there is some sort of rule which states that Caroline Forbes is awesome and can't be questioned :) So I love her, but it's more interesting to deepen what I don't like in her than what I like. LOL!
Is Rebekah so different from her? Yes. Does she not deserve a chance (after all she didn't kill Damon when she could and she didn't want Kol to kill Matt)? No, she does...because at laest she is trying to be different.
Damon doesn't care about Tyler? True, that doesn't mean he's bad. It's all about priorities. I don't really think Caroline would have some doubts to have Damon or Rebekah or whover she doesn't care about to die to save her beloved ones. It's human. Anyway, I really loved how she tried to deal with Tyler when he found out about Klaus drawing. She wasn't really able to come up with an explanation.
I do think that Caroline is fascinated by Klaus, because he is charming, but this is far from being in love. If they want to go down this route (and I would like to see it), it has to be slow and some changes have to be made in Klaus.
Jeremy
He's another character I am torn about. He's young and confused, so I can deal with all the things I don't like about him. I loved his interaction with Rose. I have hopes he will open his mind and see the things and the persons for what they are.
Also, I always enjoy to see him and Damon interacting. They have a great chemistry.
Rose
It's not even funny how much I do miss her. She was perfect. She was old, wise. She could have been the friend Damon had never had in his life. Someone who was able to love him for who he really was. Someone who was able to see right through him and accept him for being good and bad.
Her last speech to Jeremy was perfect. It's true, Stefan is the safe harbor where Elena can always find love and peace, but missing the sparkles, that sense of completeness that only true love can give to a person. Not saying that Damon is necessarily her true love, but Stefan is not for sure imo.
Rose knows all of this and I am happy she wanted to make Jeremy aware of it.
I also enjoyed that she sat down close to Damon..I so wanted them to share a moment..
Damon/Elena/Damon&Elena
This is hard. I think Damon was pefect in this episode. He didn't go on that roadtrip thinking he could have a chance with Elena. Of course he had understood that there was something, but he just behaved as everything was normal..up until that moment in the room when Elena was looking at him. He lied down on the bed and was honest, once again. He told Elena why he is the way he is. Think about it...living with the pressure of not wanting to fail other people expectations is awful. Especially if you are a vampire. I love that Damon is always honest about who he is and what you can get from him. He doesn't fool people. He says "I am this man, love me or hate me, but you know who you are dealing with".
It baffled me how genuinely confused Elena was. It was like she had never spent time trying to figure out her feelings for him. You could clearly see that things were heating up to the point that she had to leave the room...then the kiss...ehm I'd say "sex with clothes on"...
but the most perfect scene for me was the one in Mary's house. When Elena finally told him that she is scared because he lashes out, because she doesn't know how to deal with this side of Damon (I guess she needs to learn with Stefan dark side too btw) and Damon being perfect (I know I have used this word too often today) because he wasn't blaming himself for once, he was not being all "oh Elena you are right, it's my fault, I am bad, I don't deserve you"...no Damon stood up for himself this time. He told her in the face that she has to figure it out on her own. That he won't sabotage things but that he is not going to change who he is for her, that he is there if she wants to but the choice is hers and she has to take the responsibilities of it. Did Elena hurt Damon? Maybe. Did Damon hurt Elena? Probably. She was hurt, because she realized that she can't hide anymore and that she has to decide what to do with her life. I can see her deciding to be on her own for a while. I can see Damon giving up on her because he truly loves her and he just wants her to be happy. I can see both Stefan and Damon do this.
Also I think Damon is now able to deal with a refusal. His love for Elena is healthy, it's not a destructive obsession like the one he felt for Katherine. Damon is stronger than we might have thought. He knows Elena feels something for him and he wants her to be with him, but not at all costs. There's Stefan too and his feelings. It's up to Elena and Elena only.
I am confident they will both respect her final decision.
I loved Damon words so much, because he has grown up so much. I don't care how much potential a character has if I don't see it developed. I love Damon Salvatore because imo the writers have done an awesome job in developing him step by step, episode by episode, season by season. Damon has rised and fallen many times during these three seasons, but everything he has done, hasn't been useless. It has been functional to build him up like he is now.
I do think he is the only character who has been developed so well so far...him and Elena too, even if it's harder to see.
To sum up my Damon/Elena are, quoting dot-dot-delena:
Stefan is Elena’s harbor, a safe place for her to remain, but Damon is the roaring, dangerous ocean that can sometimes be calm and sometimes be tremulous and even sometimes violent but always beautiful. A ship may be safe in a harbor, but thats not why they were built, they were created to sail the ocean forever.
“And the arms of the ocean are carrying me. All this devotion was rushing out of me, in the crushes of heaven for a sinner like me. But the arms of the ocean delivered me.”
I have much more to say, but words fail me at the moment.
HAPPY SPN DAY!!!
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My thoughts - part 1
Date: 2012-04-22 04:51 pm (UTC)I like your insight that Stefan wanted to spare Damon from torturing Alaric. The Stefan/Alaric storyline didn't do much for me overall, and Paul and Matt just don't have very good chemistry. I much preferred Stefan's scenes with Klaus. I'm happy that Stefan is accepting that side of him, as well, and that he realizes that will take the power of controlling him away from Klaus. I feel bad for Klaus, though, who just wants his friend back.
I'm also torn about the Originals. Esther needs to go away, IMO. I do not want her around one bit. Kol is entertaining to me, and I'm glad that he gave Elena the opportunity to see Damon being beaten up (to help her in her quest to figure out what she feels for him), but I wouldn't be sad to see Kol disappear. I definitely want Elijah back, so he Klaus, and Rebekah can all live in that huge mansion. I don't think there is room for 3 Originals in the writer's version of Mystic Falls, though. Hmmmm.
I'm not thrilled with Caroline's attitude when it comes to Damon. I still love her and all, but her singling Damon out as the problem doesn't sit well with me. I'm also not enjoying her with Tyler as much any more. I'd rather see how things proceed with her & Klaus.
Yay, Jeremy's back!! I love how much his presence brings out in Elena and Damon. He is a confused kid trying to find his way to adulthood amidst all this supernatural stuff. He & Damon do have a great almost brotherly vibe. Damon's like the older brother that Jer never had who he sees as part dick, but also someone to seek advice from.
I adore Rose & Damon's friendship and her perspective is awesome for filling in the gaps in story lines that we don't get to see. I am fine with being told some details because there just isn't enough screen time to show every nuance. I loved ALL of her monologue, and Jeremy needed to hear that (as well as some of the younger members of the audience).
Re: My thoughts - part 2
Date: 2012-04-22 05:24 pm (UTC)ITA with your opinion of Damon. He has grown so much and every single thing he did and said in this episode was just perfection. I was so proud of him for standing up for himself and letting Elena know that she had to accept him as he was or not at all and that she needed to figure this out for herself. He could have been a little nicer about it at Scary Mary's house, but that's not who he is.
That scene was an eye-opener for me. It showed me a reason for why Elena has not yet examined her feelings for Damon. Prior experience has taught Elena that generally Damon's actions will cause a strong reaction in her thereby giving her an out from having to actually make a decision. Given that she has been living in denial-ville for so long, this was exactly what wanted (although it's also her biggest fear with him) to keep up her delusions.
Ian's delivery of that epic line, "What if I didn't? What if there was no bump?" was stunningly awesome. His expression and the inflection of his voice that held hope in the midst of the hurt and frustration he was feeling ... GAH!!
I can understand how it must have hurt him that she seemed so bent on expecting the worst from him. Her default of waiting for him to screw up even after she's seen firsthand the good in him has to be taking a toll on him.
It will be very interesting to see what goes on in her mind, now that she's crossed the point of no return. I'm just so happy that she is no longer living in denial-ville and that whatever happens between them is based on an open, honest exchange and not on delusions and misconceived notions.
The scene in the motel room was just so powerful and beautiful and honest - all with very few words being spoken. It was wonderful to be able to see all of their feelings on their faces and to have their closeness back.
Your description of their kiss is perfect: Sex With Clothes On :D
The scene at Scary Mary's needed to happen. This is just how Damon/Elena work. It will never be easy for them, they will always have glorious highs and fighting lows.
That's all for me. Now, I'm going to go re-watch this wonderful episode again (I'm not sure how many times this is now ...;)
Re: My thoughts - part 2
Date: 2012-04-23 08:39 am (UTC)Honestly i do think he didn't have to be nicer. Damon is the way he is and Elena needed a punch in her face. She wasn't exoecting Damon to be like that. She was expecting Damon to say that she was right, that was his fault. The fact that Damon decided to work on his issues to win her, it's something that Elena needed to know, but, at the same time, she needed to realize that Damon is not going to change himself for her. Because he is who he is and he owns and loves it.
Given that she has been living in denial-ville for so long, this was exactly what wanted (although it's also her biggest fear with him) to keep up her delusions.
THIS!
Ian's delivery of that epic line, "What if I didn't? What if there was no bump?"
OMG his voice there....I was so glad that he didn't look vulnerable as it was in the promo. He was self conscious of having a chance but that it was not going to depend on himself.
Ian was perfect there!
I can understand how it must have hurt him that she seemed so bent on expecting the worst from him. Her default of waiting for him to screw up even after she's seen firsthand the good in him has to be taking a toll on him.
But he deal with it in a very mature way. Plus it's kinda his fault becaus ehe doesn'want people to see the good in him. Damon still has to work on the walls he has build up, but he needs to without giving up his freedom and who he is.
It was wonderful to be able to see all of their feelings on their faces and to have their closeness back.
So much this!
Can I tell you how much I love Damon Salvatore?
Re: My thoughts - part 1
Date: 2012-04-23 08:33 am (UTC)Oh yes, he misses her...he does.
I much preferred Stefan's scenes with Klaus.
Me too. I love me some Klefan :)
I'm happy that Stefan is accepting that side of him, as well, and that he realizes that will take the power of controlling him away from Klaus. I feel bad for Klaus, though, who just wants his friend back.
I am so happy to see Stefan becoming more and more aware of who he is and yes I feel bad for Klaus too, but he has to make some step forward too if he doesn't want to be alone.
Kol is entertaining to me,
Oh he very much is :)
I also enjoyed that Elena saw Damon being beaten up for the same reasons you stated, but i want more development for Kol, otheriwise he is not necessary. I don't understand al this fuss over the Originals only becaus ethey are Originals. I mean Klaus is certainly interesting and REbekah too. Also Elijah...but the others? Just plot devices...
I'm not thrilled with Caroline's attitude when it comes to Damon.
I am not when it comes to everyone who is not her list actually. I hated what she told to Rebekah...
Not to mention how she considers Damon...somwhow it's like that shallow part in caroline is still there. She doesn't spen time thinking about people and she is not open minded.
He & Damon do have a great almost brotherly vibe. Damon's like the older brother that Jer never had who he sees as part dick, but also someone to seek advice from.
Gah I love these two together!
I adore Rose & Damon's friendship
I adore that she actually cared about him...because she did. She cared about Damon for who he is and not for what she wanted him to be.
I will always have a girl crush on her.