TVD HEART OF DARKNESS: where Damon did no wrong and Stefan won me over again.

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“I know you want to stop it. Protect her from it. But you’re young. You don’t see what I see. It’s not just that she makes him a better person. She does, but, he changes her too. Damon challenges her, surprises her. He makes her question her life, beliefs. Stefan is different. His love is pure and he’ll always be good for her. Damon is either the best thing for her or the worst.”
— Rose to Jeremy, 3.19


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-I just love Caroline and Matt together.They are so cute. I also like him with Rebekah. I am just sorry he was fooling her.

-Kol...no love for you darling today.

-Tyler, I know I am going to feel sorry for him eventually.

-Rose!!!! Damn if I want her to be alive and be a good friend for Damon.

-Loved the Damon/Stefan phone call.

-Damon/Elena in that room...how they looked at each other and their hands...*is dead*

-IS DEAD! That was not a kiss, that was much more than a kiss...I have never seen so much passion, love and desire between Stefan and Elena...

-"you are so weak"...that's true.

-Perfect, Damon spoke the perfects words.

There is so much to say about the subtext and the connections in this episode. I am not even sure I'll be able to write down all my thoughts.

Stefan and Stefan/Alaric
I really liked that Stefan was so open with Ric. I do really think he sent Elena with Damon so she could figure out her feelings for him, but I also think he wanted to spare Damon to torture his best friend. I love the bonding.
I also enjoyed the parallel between Ric and Stefan darksides and how easy is for them to lose control. They are both weak, they are both still unable to figure out what to do with their alter-egos, but Stefan is one step ahead...what they both have to understand is that there is no control if there isn't self acceptance and while for Ric this is all new, Stefan has simply denied his nature for too long. I am glad that he is coming to accept it now.
Man, I so love Stefan...I do. His interaction with Klaus, they way he stood up to him. How he gave Elena the chance to explore her feelings. Not because she needed a free pass to do it, but because Steafn knew it would have been easier for her. Stefan is growing up so much...SO MUCH LOVE!

Kol/Rebekah/Klaus/Esther.
I think my excitment for Kol has faded away a bit, because I need complicated characters to get attracted to. Kol is just monodimensional. He's mean, revengeful, a not grown up annoying vampire...I'd like to see more of him though.
I am torn about the Originals. I don't want them to die, but I want them to leave. I don't really understand why some fans don't consider Klaus a threat anymore. He still is, as long as he won't give up to his army plan. He wants and needs Elena to be a slave. This is a threat and unfair. That being said, I think my favorite one is Rebekah. I was so sorry for her in this episode. First Matt, then Esther. Looks like none loves her, but everyone wants to use her.
How vile is for a mother to use a daughter like that? How judgemtal is Esther, who created them and now wants to destroy them? She played God once and she continues in her crazy plan.
No way I can like what she is doing.


Caroline.
Sorry, I might be the only one in the fandom, but I am kinda annoyed by her attitude right now. Even if it looks like Caroline is the only character everyone love, I don't think there is some sort of rule which states that Caroline Forbes is awesome and can't be questioned :) So I love her, but it's more interesting to deepen what I don't like in her than what I like. LOL!
Is Rebekah so different from her? Yes. Does she not deserve a chance (after all she didn't kill Damon when she could and she didn't want Kol to kill Matt)? No, she does...because at laest she is trying to be different.
Damon doesn't care about Tyler? True, that doesn't mean he's bad. It's all about priorities. I don't really think Caroline would have some doubts to have Damon or Rebekah or whover she doesn't care about to die to save her beloved ones. It's human. Anyway, I really loved how she tried to deal with Tyler when he found out about Klaus drawing. She wasn't really able to come up with an explanation.
I do think that Caroline is fascinated by Klaus, because he is charming, but this is far from being in love. If they want to go down this route (and I would like to see it), it has to be slow and some changes have to be made in Klaus.


Jeremy
He's another character I am torn about. He's young and confused, so I can deal with all the things I don't like about him. I loved his interaction with Rose. I have hopes he will open his mind and see the things and the persons for what they are.
Also, I always enjoy to see him and Damon interacting. They have a great chemistry.


Rose
It's not even funny how much I do miss her. She was perfect. She was old, wise. She could have been the friend Damon had never had in his life. Someone who was able to love him for who he really was. Someone who was able to see right through him and accept him for being good and bad.
Her last speech to Jeremy was perfect. It's true, Stefan is the safe harbor where Elena can always find love and peace, but missing the sparkles, that sense of completeness that only true love can give to a person. Not saying that Damon is necessarily her true love, but Stefan is not for sure imo.
Rose knows all of this and I am happy she wanted to make Jeremy aware of it.
I also enjoyed that she sat down close to Damon..I so wanted them to share a moment..


Damon/Elena/Damon&Elena
This is hard. I think Damon was pefect in this episode. He didn't go on that roadtrip thinking he could have a chance with Elena. Of course he had understood that there was something, but he just behaved as everything was normal..up until that moment in the room when Elena was looking at him. He lied down on the bed and was honest, once again. He told Elena why he is the way he is. Think about it...living with the pressure of not wanting to fail other people expectations is awful. Especially if you are a vampire. I love that Damon is always honest about who he is and what you can get from him. He doesn't fool people. He says "I am this man, love me or hate me, but you know who you are dealing with".
It baffled me how genuinely confused Elena was. It was like she had never spent time trying to figure out her feelings for him. You could clearly see that things were heating up to the point that she had to leave the room...then the kiss...ehm I'd say "sex with clothes on"...
but the most perfect scene for me was the one in Mary's house. When Elena finally told him that she is scared because he lashes out, because she doesn't know how to deal with this side of Damon (I guess she needs to learn with Stefan dark side too btw) and Damon being perfect (I know I have used this word too often today) because he wasn't blaming himself for once, he was not being all "oh Elena you are right, it's my fault, I am bad, I don't deserve you"...no Damon stood up for himself this time. He told her in the face that she has to figure it out on her own. That he won't sabotage things but that he is not going to change who he is for her, that he is there if she wants to but the choice is hers and she has to take the responsibilities of it. Did Elena hurt Damon? Maybe. Did Damon hurt Elena? Probably. She was hurt, because she realized that she can't hide anymore and that she has to decide what to do with her life. I can see her deciding to be on her own for a while. I can see Damon giving up on her because he truly loves her and he just wants her to be happy. I can see both Stefan and Damon do this.
Also I think Damon is now able to deal with a refusal. His love for Elena is healthy, it's not a destructive obsession like the one he felt for Katherine. Damon is stronger than we might have thought. He knows Elena feels something for him and he wants her to be with him, but not at all costs. There's Stefan too and his feelings. It's up to Elena and Elena only.
I am confident they will both respect her final decision.
I loved Damon words so much, because he has grown up so much. I don't care how much potential a character has if I don't see it developed. I love Damon Salvatore because imo the writers have done an awesome job in developing him step by step, episode by episode, season by season. Damon has rised and fallen many times during these three seasons, but everything he has done, hasn't been useless. It has been functional to build him up like he is now.
I do think he is the only character who has been developed so well so far...him and Elena too, even if it's harder to see.


To sum up my Damon/Elena are, quoting dot-dot-delena:

Stefan is Elena’s harbor, a safe place for her to remain, but Damon is the roaring, dangerous ocean that can sometimes be calm and sometimes be tremulous and even sometimes violent but always beautiful. A ship may be safe in a harbor, but thats not why they were built, they were created to sail the ocean forever.

“And the arms of the ocean are carrying me. All this devotion was rushing out of me, in the crushes of heaven for a sinner like me. But the arms of the ocean delivered me.”

I have much more to say, but words fail me at the moment.





HAPPY SPN DAY!!!

Comments

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I could hear all the Delena fans shrieking with glee from all over the world when that scene commenced. LOL! That was pretty freaking hot, I admit it, and you're right, we've never really seen that kind of animal passion between Elena and Stefan. Not to say they don't have their own brand of chemistry, because they do, honestly. But it's different from what we saw between Elena and Damon - and that's good, because Elena's attraction to both should be very different.

I think Rose described it best to Jeremy - yet, even before I read Ian's recent interview with TVG, I've always been convinced that Elena will go back to Stefan, that she will opt for the safer choice. And I can see her reasons for doing so. But she can no longer deny her feelings for Damon, and I like how the writers went about showing that.

I love that Stefan didn't fight it and instead encouraged Elena to explore her feelings for Damon. I think - I hope, at least - that the Salvatores' mutual attraction to the same girl will not tear them assunder, since that's all I care about in the end, far more than who Elena ends up with (though I still think they're all nuts if they don't make it a polyamorous relationship in the end).

But I think you're right that having Damon lay it out on the line for Elena, telling her it's really her problem, not his, and it's not his job to make it easy for her, is setting up Damon to be okay with her rejection when it comes since it's pretty clear he expects it and isn't going to change just to win her since it wouldn't be honest.

You don't have to sell me on not being a Caroline cheerleader. Listen, I like her better than I have in the past, but she and Tyler still annoy the crap out of me more than other characters do - except for maybe Bonnie. There is something so one-dimensional about their relationship - it's the same old, same old inability to talk and understand anything. I hate that kind of writing and those kinds of characters.

And I have to be honest here and say I'm now tired of the kill them all/don't kill them all crap with the Originals. Come on, we know they're not going to kill them, they can't, so why do we keep pretending like this is something to care about? It's like Supernatural and the never-ending revolving door of death that has become such a running bad joke. It's time to bring in that new Big Bad, because the Originals aren't it anymore. Either send them away, or incorporate them into the town's population. I'm tired of this go-nowhere dance.

I hate Esther, I hate that she's possessing Rebekah, and the only person I want to see killed off is her.

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I like how both Damon and Stefan represent something different for Elena and I agree with Rose. If Damon and Elena story works, Damon is the best for Elena...that being said, I just want Damon not to undersell himself when it comes to the woman he loves and this episode was good enough in that department.

I am glad I am not the only one to question Caroline actions. I was bothered by her words to REbekah because honestly it was eaxctly what Caroline used to do in S1..so please...I don't care about Caroline/Tyler. Honestly if Tyler died, I wouldn't care at all.

As for the Originals, I think they need to close this chapter soon giving them a role in the MF life. I mean they are not going to die, but they can't be the big bad forever so yep a decision has to be made.

Agreed on Esther!

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*loves*

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I loved Roses monologue to Jeremy. I really liked Rose throughout the whole episode and her cheering them on.

I also love Damon for making it known that Elena needs to figure out her feelings for him, and he "won't make it easy" for her.

Tyler/Caroline were, ugh..I thought they were cute at first when he got there, but then when the sexy-ness started it was just kinda gross.

I think if Damon/Elena happens, that Jeremy will get over any misgivings he's having about them. He always seemed to like Damon better anyways.

Esther needs to die a seriously horrible horrible death, hopefully by Rebekah. I love that girl to pieces, and I hate that they keep trying to make her more human and then they take it away by having Caroline taunt her and say nasty things that aren't really true about her, and then the whole Esther debacle.

I'll agree that Klaus is still a threat, but he's not the threat they are making him out to be. He's not the main villain anymore. I guess that would go to Esther!Rebekah and evil!Alaric now. Which is really making me think Alaric will be a goner by the end of the season, if not before :(

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I have always liked Rose, so it was good to see her back in this episode. I wish she could be still alive.

Finally Damon didn't undersell him and he did no wrong, so yep it's up to Elena and Elena only.

I have never been into Tyler/Caroline, so I just ignored that part.

Jeremy and Damon have a connection and their banter is awesome. I agree with you. Jeremy might even like Damon/Elena better than Stefan/Elena.

I soa gree with you about Esther. Rebekah is by far my favorite Original and I hate what her mother is doing to her. Esther doesn't give a crap about her children.

I think Klaus is not the villain because right now he has no reason to be. He's kinda trapped. I want the writers to develop him or to kill him off because I seriously dislike when they create a character with a great potential and then leave him stuck. So if he has to be bad, let him be bad..otherwise give him a development that you can really see. I mean, I can imagine all the pain and the hurt and the layers Klaus hides, but i want the show to develop it.

Agreed that right now the villains are others...I really don't want Ric to go. I love him..and I love his bromance with Damon.

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Finally saw the episode and can comment on it! Yay!!!

Much love for your post!!! You highlighted just about everything that stood out to me as well. Damon is definitely perfect and his character growth as showcased in this episode is AWESOME! I LOVED Damon standing up for himself to Elena and making it so she no longer has any excuse or anything to hide or bury her head in the sand in. Go Damon!! :D

All right, to the nitty gritty, but not everything you said, I promise. Just most of it. :P I’ll stick to character categories to keep from rambling forever though. Hee!

I also enjoyed the parallel between Ric and Stefan darksides and how easy is for them to lose control. They are both weak, they are both still unable to figure out what to do with their alter-egos, but Stefan is one step ahead...what they both have to understand is that there is no control if there isn't self acceptance and while for Ric this is all new, Stefan has simply denied his nature for too long.

Starting with Stefan and Alaric, I must say I agree wholeheartedly with this! I particularly found it enjoyable and powerful in showcasing how an uncontrolled dark side can wreak untold havoc and make everyone, not just the one person with the dark side ego, miserable. The dynamic between Stefan and Alaric was just great. Stefan came across a few times as still the student in Ric’s history class while at the same time having the experience and understanding to know what Ric is experiencing with his alter ego. And Ric was both an adult and student in the situation. Much love for this and how if differs from Ric and Damon (best friends) and even Ric and Elena (father/daughter).

Speaking of Damon and Ric…they didn’t actually have any scenes together in the episode but there were still some awesome moments in regards to them. The first was the book Damon snuck in the bag Elena took down to Ric. Jekyll and Hyde indeed! And Ric smiled the biggest he smiled the entire episode. That just made me melt! Bromance is awesome! Heh, and Damon suggested Stefan give Ric alcohol to help! Oh Damon. Though Ric was certainly happy to be able to drink kudos to Damon, even if feeding the alcoholic isn’t the best idea. And was it just me, or did Ric sound like he would have preferred Damon down there in the cell talking with him and waiting for his alter ego? And Ric, of course Damon would have a hard time torturing you! He cares about you a lot you nitwit! The second big moment was during the phone call between Stefan and Damon. The protectiveness coming off of Damon after Stefan told him Ric was dead, not to mention the fear that Ric might be dead dead…poor guy! And I just loved that. I mean really loved it. Despite Ric being an all-around jerk to Damon for so long, I adore that Damon still cares so much about Ric. I’m so excited about the next episode where there’s supposed to be much more Damon and Ric! *bounces*

tbc...

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Part 2
The Originals are up next.

I am torn about the Originals. I don't want them to die, but I want them to leave. I don't really understand why some fans don't consider Klaus a threat anymore. He still is, as long as he won't give up to his army plan. He wants and needs Elena to be a slave. This is a threat and unfair. That being said, I think my favorite one is Rebekah. I was so sorry for her in this episode. First Matt, then Esther. Looks like none loves her, but everyone wants to use her.

Well said! I am not torn as much, I admit, and I’m ready for the Originals to go so the focus can come back to the original main cast a bit more. Klaus is most definitely still a threat and remains a wild card that can snap at any given moment. And Caroline’s attitude about him really bothered me in this episode, especially her accusations of it being DAMON as the only one who is determined to kill Klaus. But that’s for later. Anyway, on the Original front, I must agree that my favorite at this point is Rebekah. But then I was never enamored with Elijah, Klaus, or any of the other Originals (though Mikael was a lot of fun and a great villain for a brief time and Finn intrigued me but he’s gone now). My heart broke for her when Esther talked a lot of talk so she could touch her and escape her dying body. Poor girl!

Matt, I think, is partially genuine though in his treatment of Rebekah. I say that because looking at 3x14 and how he gave her his jacket simply because he was being a gentleman and driving Rebekah home in this episode seemed very much the same. It’s just who Matt is. He’s not malicious or mean in general. A great example would be how he reacts to Elena becoming a couple with Stefan when the series began. Yes he was jealous, but also hurt and sad and missing Elena. And he never lashed out at Elena. Yes, there was the football tackle but he immediately regretted it and apologized afterwards. He’s just a nice guy. And he’s been the most grown up of the Mystic Falls bunch from the very beginning because he had been living for years with a flaky mom, no dad, and an irresponsible older sister. Matt’s also been very supportive or everyone, for the most part with the craziness going on. In the show, he’s the normal guy dealing with all these extraordinary events the best he can. Not to say he can’t lash out, be mean or anything or do/say stupid stuff, he does and has and that’s what makes him a great character because he’s very dimensional given the limited screen time he gets. He’s still growing up like everyone else and, like Jeremy and Tyler, doesn’t have any good male role models to rely on. Unlike Jeremy and Tyler though, he’s been dealing with becoming his own man by himself for years and as such can guide them somewhat as they themselves make that journey. I think that’s partially why I love Matt, Jeremy, and Tyler so much. Okay, I don’t love Tyler that much, especially in the beginning, but he’s come a long way and I enjoy the dynamic he brings to the gang. Anyway, these three remind me a great deal of one Dean Winchester and the world he was thrust in to at a young age and the fact he had to raise himself and his brother due to an absent, negligent, drill sergeant of a father. Damon shows signs of the same thing, having to grow up making himself a man based on what he knew, understood, and decided.

Wow, long tangent, lol. :)

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Klaus is most definitely still a threat and remains a wild card that can snap at any given moment.
Exactly. He might not be the villain right now, but just because it's not convenient for him...btw I jsut want him to evolve. If he wants to stay around, the writers must show us all his layers. Because he has layers.

And Caroline’s attitude about him really bothered me in this episode, especially her accusations of it being DAMON as the only one who is determined to kill Klaus.
Everyone wants to kill him..so yeah I agree.

My heart broke for her when Esther talked a lot of talk so she could touch her and escape her dying body. Poor girl!
Bitch!...Esther is a bitch.

Matt, I think, is partially genuine though in his treatment of Rebekah.
I agree, Matt is so good. He really is a genuine good guy.

And he’s been the most grown up of the Mystic Falls bunch from the very beginning because he had been living for years with a flaky mom, no dad, and an irresponsible older sister.
He might be jsut human, but his life really sucks and he has tried tomake the best out of it. Better not to kill him off SHOW, do you hear me?

I totally agree with you about the parallel you made with Tyler and Jeremy. Except that I don't love Tyler much.

Okay, I don’t love Tyler that much, especially in the beginning, but he’s come a long way and I enjoy the dynamic he brings to the gang.
He is still pretty indifferent to me...but he doesn't bother me as he used to do.

Anyway, these three remind me a great deal of one Dean Winchester and the world he was thrust in to at a young age and the fact he had to raise himself and his brother due to an absent, negligent, drill sergeant of a father.
I have to say that maybe the three of them can make a little part of Dean...just kidding, I agree with you buut if I haveto compare someone to Dean in relation with his father, that would be Damon. Damon had a father that was basically like John so yeah as you said Damon shows signs of the same thing, having to grow up making himself a man based on what he knew, understood, and decided.

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Damon is definitely perfect and his character growth as showcased in this episode is AWESOME! I LOVED Damon standing up for himself to Elena and making it so she no longer has any excuse or anything to hide or bury her head in the sand in. Go Damon!! :D
IKR?! I want Damon to not undersell himself and the writers are doing a pretty good job with him and all his issues. Damon is not stuck. He evolves and I love it.

Much love for this and how if differs from Ric and Damon (best friends) and even Ric and Elena (father/daughter).
That's what I love about this show. Stefan and Ric have never had a great interaction, but when they got the chance, as in this episode, it was interesting and mind boggling.

Jekyll and Hyde indeed! And Ric smiled the biggest he smiled the entire episode. That just made me melt! Bromance is awesome!
I love how much Damon knows the little tricks to make Ric feel better and I can't wait for them to have some very honest moment.

And was it just me, or did Ric sound like he would have preferred Damon down there in the cell talking with him and waiting for his alter ego?
Yes he would and I would love Stefan forever for sparing his brother more pain.

Despite Ric being an all-around jerk to Damon for so long, I adore that Damon still cares so much about Ric.
Damon is just like that. When he loves, he does.

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Part 3

On to Caroline. Oh Caroline! Sorry, I might be the only one in the fandom, but I am kinda annoyed by her attitude right now.

Don’t be because I am too! Love your look at her position however and how her flaws add to her character. Very true! As I mentioned earlier though, her laying all the blame/heat for going after Klaus still at his feet grated. I have a couple problems with her assertions. For one, of course Damon doesn’t care about Tyler and he never has. BUT, that didn’t stop him from saving him and Caroline the night of the sacrifice, even getting bit to save Caroline and Matt from Tyler and he shifted. Two, Caroline didn’t bring up the fact that Klaus remaining alive leaves him an ever looming threat over Elena’s life and the life of any one she loves or even a future family. Oh and that puts the rest of the Mystic Falls gang in danger, even Tyler if he manages to break the sire bond because Klaus may well decide to end his life for that defiance…or take revenge in some other way.

Also, Caroline’s comment to Rebekah about sleeping with anyone in sight was cruel not to mention hypocritical to the nth degree! Rebekah is much like Caroline was in S1 and her blindness and snobbery in that regard is grating given what she went through because one might expect her to have more compassion since she herself was in a similar situation (ie attracted to Damon and wanting to jump his bones just cause). Though I personally think Rebekah’s was actually worse because Damon pretended to care vs just compelling Caroline. And for Rebekah, she hasn’t had any friends or anyone to really love her for a long, long time.

Tyler as her boyfriend, for me, worked well in showing the star crossed lovers routine and I enjoy their scenes when they actually talk. S2 Caroline and Tyler had many fantastic ones together and even some great scenes earlier in S3 before Klaus turned him into a hybrid. Tyler isn’t my favorite by any stretch, but he’s still a good character and adds more to the plot and characters around him and vis versa.

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BUT, that didn’t stop him from saving him and Caroline the night of the sacrifice, even getting bit to save Caroline and Matt from Tyler and he shifted.
Amen.

Two, Caroline didn’t bring up the fact that Klaus remaining alive leaves him an ever looming threat over Elena’s life and the life of any one she loves or even a future family.
it baffles me how Caroline and Klaus fans understimate the threat of Klaus plan. Seriously.

Also, Caroline’s comment to Rebekah about sleeping with anyone in sight was cruel not to mention hypocritical to the nth degree!
Amen to that and everything you said after...Caroline was pretty much like Rebekah and now she is unable to show any compassion for Rebekah.

Though I personally think Rebekah’s was actually worse because Damon pretended to care vs just compelling Caroline. And for Rebekah, she hasn’t had any friends or anyone to really love her for a long, long time.
I agree. Damon was mean with both, but more with REbekah because he played with her weakness.

Tyler isn’t my favorite by any stretch, but he’s still a good character and adds more to the plot and characters around him and vis versa.
YOu manage to make me re-think my opinion and be more open minded...I still don't care about him much, but I have to say you are right.

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Part 4

Now for Jeremy!!! Oh Jeremy how happy I am to see you back!! *dances* Him and Rose returning made for some of the best parts of the episode! And they had some great moments between these two despite them having never met prior. Well done writers on that front!

I have hopes he will open his mind and see the things and the persons for what they are

I have to disagree with this. I think Jeremy is perhaps one of the most open minded of the Mystic Falls bunch. 2.02 and his talk with Damon at the end of the episode showcases this perfectly imo. There’s also his talk with Anna in 1.19 Miss Mystic Falls and how he understands his uncle John’s position even though he disagrees. Jeremy also has shown the most interest and understanding of Bonnie and the consequences of her magic. He was also the only one to treat Tyler the same after he became a Hyrbid. Yes, there was the compulsion bit but it looked like only Klaus did the compelling. And he later called Tyler out on his actions and really got Tyler thinking. The point, yes I know I take forever don’t I, lol, is that Jeremy is a very accepting person and actually just as forgiving as his sister.

This brings me to his relationship with Elena as seen in this episode and the seasons so far. First, let me say that I think Jeremy’s look at catching Damon and Elena in a make out session had more to do with Elena lying to him again about what’s going on. Elena’s gotten into a real nasty habit of lying not only to herself but to her brother as well. S1 made it very clear, however, that as much as Elena values honesty so does Jeremy. It’s just how they were raised. And Elena has continued to lie and withhold information from Jeremy to protect him…or so she claims. At first I agree it was for his protection but now her lies and withheld information are putting Jeremy in increasingly more danger. Part of Jeremy’s look may certainly be because it is Damon and Damon tried to kill him once and he doesn’t want him with his sister like that, but I see that as secondary.

And Jeremy is no longer a kid, as much as Elena wishes he was. In part, this is very similar to Dean and Sam, and Dean wishing Sam could have been innocent longer and always protecting him. Problem is, I’m more inclined at this point to believe that Jeremy is more capable of growing up and maturing then Sam was, at least after S4. He’s shown the signs and while he’s messed up and screwed up, he’s made good progress much like Damon has.

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Ok on Jeremy. As I told you, I agree with you. I just don't understand I could not see it.

Jeremy was ready to turn just be with Vicki. He was in love with Anna. He did not have any problem in believing in what Bonnie was and did...not to mention that he has never been judgey...

I agree again, Jeremy was annoyed by the fact that Elena lied to him more than by her and Damon making out.
Honestly I do think Jeremy likes Damon...seriously I love the interaction between these two since S1. But I know it's part 5 of your comment!

Elena is putting Jeremy in danger by not telling him the truth and it's exactly the same mistake Dean kept doing to proetct Sam. Elena has to realize that the best way to prtect Jeremy is giving him the possibility of defending himself.

Agreed on that Sam/Jeremy parallel. Point is the writers have completely failed Sam.

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Part 5...Last comment! Promise! *is sheepish*

Speaking of, I loved the undercurrent of respect and trust between Damon and Jeremy. I always adore their scenes together on screen because the big brother/little brother dynamic really sneaks in there. Jeremy knows Damon well enough to know he’s going to be a dick and a jerk but also not wholly mean it. And there’s this respect there that…I dunno how to explain it exactly. I think the understanding between D/E works in the same way. Jeremy and Damon have a similar understanding and it works for them. For example when Damon snarked about what good is Jeremy if he comes back from the dead and can’t talk to a ghost when Damon needs him to, Jeremy’s mouth quirks in a half smile and Damon responds with a sadder, bitter one. Heh, and Jeremy cuts Damon off before he can make a comment about Jer making friends so I think it’s safe to say they are comfortable with each other as friends at least.

Another notable thing was how Jeremy and Damon interacted once they reached the motel room. Damon’s sarcasm was met with a calm reply about it not working that way and Damon answering that yes he knew. The whole way Jeremy went about it was great, imo, and showed his understanding of Damon as a person and patience. Elena was sucking on a lemon for the most part, though she did make the suggestion that Damon talk about something meaningful with Rose. I also found it telling that Damon was willing to share the dream he gave with Rose to both Elena and Jeremy. Sure Elena pushed for something, but Damon didn’t have to talk about that memory. That was strictly between him and Rose so the fact he shared it with Jeremy and Elena is telling of how he views them imo. Sure it was necessary to an extent but he could have shared something else like her being willing to stay to help deal with the threat to Elena via Klaus.

And Rose…oh Rose was just AWESOME! I hope we see her one more time before the season is over, I really do.

Much love and agreement with your Damon/Elena thoughts! What a kiss!!! :D I could say more, but I think I've prattled enough for one day, lol.

Hope you've had a wonderful Friday!

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

Re: Jeremey/Damon.

Can't add anything more. You said everything I wanted to. They are awesome and have a great chemistry.

I love you commenting and if you like go ahead with your more thoughts!

[kros-21.livejournal.com]

OMG this episode!!!!!!

first: brothers forever!!!! I think they were both amazing in this episode. Stefan handled the whole thing great, just great. Not only Alaric, but Elena as well. And when he stood up to Klaus at the end saying that he now accepts his dark part and for that he can't control him, he makes me SO proud!!! Go Stefan!!!!!!!!! the guy is so much better with Elena. XD LOL

Damon was great too because even thought I think Elena makes him weaker, at least he is still able to see that he shouldn't make it easy for her and that she is not being honest.
And seriously Elena, the "I don't know" excuse is getting old. How long can she keep going on with that? it's not fair and it's true that she always chooses the most "safe" solution.
You know, I don't want Damon and Elena to get together. Maybe I'd want it just so that Damon could have that but the truth is that Elena is lame and I think both brothers are better off without her. :P

The "originals" plot intrigues me like crazy. I can't wait to see what's happening next. :D

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

Che ti devo dire, il mio cuore bi bro e' felicissimo e davvero Damon/Stefan e' la relazione piu' importante per me nello show.

Sono d'accordo, io non credo che Elena sia la migliore possibile per loro, pero' visto che lo show vuole il triangolo e vuole Elena con uno di loro (anche s eio credo che alla fine della stagione lei scegliera' di rimanere da sola), beh allora che almeno la scelta non danneggi troppo il rifiutato.

Per gli Originals, vediamo cosa succede, ma le cose devono progredire :))))

My thoughts - part 1

[linsell-farm.livejournal.com]

I love that you opened with Rose's lovely monologue. I especially loved the part about how Damon changes Elena. Everything she said made so much sense to me. I wish Damon could somehow become like Jer and see/hear ghosts so that he could have his good friend back.

I like your insight that Stefan wanted to spare Damon from torturing Alaric. The Stefan/Alaric storyline didn't do much for me overall, and Paul and Matt just don't have very good chemistry. I much preferred Stefan's scenes with Klaus. I'm happy that Stefan is accepting that side of him, as well, and that he realizes that will take the power of controlling him away from Klaus. I feel bad for Klaus, though, who just wants his friend back.

I'm also torn about the Originals. Esther needs to go away, IMO. I do not want her around one bit. Kol is entertaining to me, and I'm glad that he gave Elena the opportunity to see Damon being beaten up (to help her in her quest to figure out what she feels for him), but I wouldn't be sad to see Kol disappear. I definitely want Elijah back, so he Klaus, and Rebekah can all live in that huge mansion. I don't think there is room for 3 Originals in the writer's version of Mystic Falls, though. Hmmmm.

I'm not thrilled with Caroline's attitude when it comes to Damon. I still love her and all, but her singling Damon out as the problem doesn't sit well with me. I'm also not enjoying her with Tyler as much any more. I'd rather see how things proceed with her & Klaus.

Yay, Jeremy's back!! I love how much his presence brings out in Elena and Damon. He is a confused kid trying to find his way to adulthood amidst all this supernatural stuff. He & Damon do have a great almost brotherly vibe. Damon's like the older brother that Jer never had who he sees as part dick, but also someone to seek advice from.

I adore Rose & Damon's friendship and her perspective is awesome for filling in the gaps in story lines that we don't get to see. I am fine with being told some details because there just isn't enough screen time to show every nuance. I loved ALL of her monologue, and Jeremy needed to hear that (as well as some of the younger members of the audience).

Re: My thoughts - part 2

[linsell-farm.livejournal.com]

... because you know that I'll have things to say about Damon/Elena ;) ...

ITA with your opinion of Damon. He has grown so much and every single thing he did and said in this episode was just perfection. I was so proud of him for standing up for himself and letting Elena know that she had to accept him as he was or not at all and that she needed to figure this out for herself. He could have been a little nicer about it at Scary Mary's house, but that's not who he is.

That scene was an eye-opener for me. It showed me a reason for why Elena has not yet examined her feelings for Damon. Prior experience has taught Elena that generally Damon's actions will cause a strong reaction in her thereby giving her an out from having to actually make a decision. Given that she has been living in denial-ville for so long, this was exactly what wanted (although it's also her biggest fear with him) to keep up her delusions.

Ian's delivery of that epic line, "What if I didn't? What if there was no bump?" was stunningly awesome. His expression and the inflection of his voice that held hope in the midst of the hurt and frustration he was feeling ... GAH!!

I can understand how it must have hurt him that she seemed so bent on expecting the worst from him. Her default of waiting for him to screw up even after she's seen firsthand the good in him has to be taking a toll on him.

It will be very interesting to see what goes on in her mind, now that she's crossed the point of no return. I'm just so happy that she is no longer living in denial-ville and that whatever happens between them is based on an open, honest exchange and not on delusions and misconceived notions.

The scene in the motel room was just so powerful and beautiful and honest - all with very few words being spoken. It was wonderful to be able to see all of their feelings on their faces and to have their closeness back.

Your description of their kiss is perfect: Sex With Clothes On :D

The scene at Scary Mary's needed to happen. This is just how Damon/Elena work. It will never be easy for them, they will always have glorious highs and fighting lows.

That's all for me. Now, I'm going to go re-watch this wonderful episode again (I'm not sure how many times this is now ...;)

Re: My thoughts - part 2

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I was so proud of him for standing up for himself and letting Elena know that she had to accept him as he was or not at all and that she needed to figure this out for herself. He could have been a little nicer about it at Scary Mary's house, but that's not who he is.
Honestly i do think he didn't have to be nicer. Damon is the way he is and Elena needed a punch in her face. She wasn't exoecting Damon to be like that. She was expecting Damon to say that she was right, that was his fault. The fact that Damon decided to work on his issues to win her, it's something that Elena needed to know, but, at the same time, she needed to realize that Damon is not going to change himself for her. Because he is who he is and he owns and loves it.

Given that she has been living in denial-ville for so long, this was exactly what wanted (although it's also her biggest fear with him) to keep up her delusions.
THIS!

Ian's delivery of that epic line, "What if I didn't? What if there was no bump?"
OMG his voice there....I was so glad that he didn't look vulnerable as it was in the promo. He was self conscious of having a chance but that it was not going to depend on himself.

Ian was perfect there!

I can understand how it must have hurt him that she seemed so bent on expecting the worst from him. Her default of waiting for him to screw up even after she's seen firsthand the good in him has to be taking a toll on him.
But he deal with it in a very mature way. Plus it's kinda his fault becaus ehe doesn'want people to see the good in him. Damon still has to work on the walls he has build up, but he needs to without giving up his freedom and who he is.

It was wonderful to be able to see all of their feelings on their faces and to have their closeness back.
So much this!

Can I tell you how much I love Damon Salvatore?

Re: My thoughts - part 1

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I wish Damon could somehow become like Jer and see/hear ghosts so that he could have his good friend back.
Oh yes, he misses her...he does.

I much preferred Stefan's scenes with Klaus.
Me too. I love me some Klefan :)

I'm happy that Stefan is accepting that side of him, as well, and that he realizes that will take the power of controlling him away from Klaus. I feel bad for Klaus, though, who just wants his friend back.
I am so happy to see Stefan becoming more and more aware of who he is and yes I feel bad for Klaus too, but he has to make some step forward too if he doesn't want to be alone.

Kol is entertaining to me,
Oh he very much is :)
I also enjoyed that Elena saw Damon being beaten up for the same reasons you stated, but i want more development for Kol, otheriwise he is not necessary. I don't understand al this fuss over the Originals only becaus ethey are Originals. I mean Klaus is certainly interesting and REbekah too. Also Elijah...but the others? Just plot devices...

I'm not thrilled with Caroline's attitude when it comes to Damon.
I am not when it comes to everyone who is not her list actually. I hated what she told to Rebekah...
Not to mention how she considers Damon...somwhow it's like that shallow part in caroline is still there. She doesn't spen time thinking about people and she is not open minded.

He & Damon do have a great almost brotherly vibe. Damon's like the older brother that Jer never had who he sees as part dick, but also someone to seek advice from.
Gah I love these two together!

I adore Rose & Damon's friendship
I adore that she actually cared about him...because she did. She cared about Damon for who he is and not for what she wanted him to be.
I will always have a girl crush on her.

[metallidean-grl.livejournal.com]

I wasn't able to watch this episode last week and only saw it right before last night's episode. I really liked this one, and yea, that scene and kiss between Damon and Elena, how in the heck can Elena ignore that chemistry, that passion, that fire. Yowza!! Stefan is comfort, safe, secure, Damon is everything opposite that and then some. She's got some figuring out to do.

I liked the return of Jeremy. I missed him and I really liked his scenes with Rose and him figuring out what is going on with Elena and Damon and Rose telling him like it is. Those were awesome scenes.

the originals - meh - I could take or leave them. Klaus is becoming an annoyance, him and his army and want/need for love and attention, yet he isn't willing to give anything of himself. Very irritating, very arrogant. He is still a HUGE threat and I don't like the hold he has. But his scenes with Stefan were great and even last night, the fact that he no longer has the hold over or kinship with Stefan is fantastic. But the mother, I DO NOT LIKE HER ONE BIT!!!!

Overall I really enjoyed this episode.

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

Yowza!! Stefan is comfort, safe, secure, Damon is everything opposite that and then some
As the episode producer said, "a ship in a harbor is safe, but ships are not made for stay in a harbor".

So if the writers are not just teasing Delena fans, the choice should be Damon...I personally think she won't choose neither of them. Not in this season.

Klefan is awesome. They have so much chemistry! But I do agree. Klaus has to evolve. This way he is wasted.

Esther has to die as much as Bobby has to go;)