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TVD THE MURDER OF ONE:Can I have TEAM!STEFAN/DAMON/KLAUS always and forever?
-Boys at work..me likes.
-DALARIC all the time!
-Or Damon, Elena....Damon didn't ask for becoming a vampire. He did not. Stefan turned him, even if at the very end he would have done for Katherine....I wonder if Elena is willingly deflecting everything about Damon on purpose or if there is some plan to keep her own feelings at bay.
-Klaus is not going to change, not in this lifetime...he is still willing to do anything to get what he wants.
-Sage/Finn...it's ok, Finn changed his mind quickly.
-If they force me to pick up sides, I will always be on TEAM SALVATORE!!!
-Is Ric starting to care about Damon again?...
-Bear with me...I have a thing for hurt!guy...Damon specifically.
-Of course Klaus is taking Bonnie under arrest and Kol has Jeremy under his radar
-Oh come on Elena, do you really think Stefan is going to let Damon die? But she is right, Damon would do anything to save Stefan if the role was reversal. Point is that Damon thinks about everything that can go wrong, Stefan doesn't.
-Damn Damon, Rebekah is tricking you...it's a hallucination. So not fair. So not fair. Emotional torture is way worse than physical one. This is what Damon wanted the most and sadly it's not happening...
-Rebekah really thought Damon had a thing for her...I feel sorry for her. She is really fucked up.
-People say that Damon is mean (and he is sometimes), but Klaus is 10000 worse than him. He doesn't have mercy and as much as I like him and Caroline, right now Caroline can't be with him. Klaus needs to start a healing process if he wants to have a chance with her. He needs to do what Damon has done and despite everything good Damon has done lately, he is still condidered the bad guy. So for Klaus it might take a while.
-Oh Stefan...Stefan you screwed up...
-Finn is dead, I won't miss him. Sorry. The spell is broken.
-Oh yes Bonnie, it's Damon...can you do something? Of course not because you are revengful and not better than Damon.
-Now instead of being all happy because they thought to have killed all of them....why they just don't run to save Damon? How could you look at him in the face when he saves you and you are not moving a finger to save him? How can he trust anyone? How can he? I am so disappointed...
-Sage is dead too....killing an Original means that everyone linked to the their bloodline would be dead?
-How is that I don't care about Tyler?
-Stefan is not only saving Damon, he is saving all of them. I think Sage died because she was turned by Finn, so we have to hope that Rose wasn't turned by Klaus.
-Klaus you mean son of the bitch....don't compel Damon, don't you dare. He did...as much as I try, I can't hate Klaus. Can I have him, Damon and Stefan roadtripping?
-Stefan you stupid boy....every time Damon is not around in a plan, the plan screws up big time. How could you be so naive to think that Klaus wouldn't have compelled Damon?
-Klaus doesn't give a damn about his siblings...Rebekah is right. Stefan and Damon would die for each other. Klaus is not able to forgive his parents for what they did to him. He wants a family, but a family who obeys and doesn't question him. This is not being mature....I would have slapped him hard for the things he told to Rebekah.
-SO MUCH LOVE FOR STEFAN IN THAT SCENE WITH ELENA!
-Crazy Ric has a stake...can I tell you that Ian’s delivery of “possibly mine” was all kind of hot????
Characters
-Ric
I liked him better in this episode. The banter with Damon and the fact that they showed a little of that old complicity they used to share before Disturbing Behaviour. Ric was genuinely concerned about Damon during the episode, in his own manly detached way and I was happy to have this feeling back.
Now since looks like his crazy alter ego has the stake, he is actually a menace for all the vampires. And then the real possibility of him dying hit me hard. It was like a punch in my face. I don’t want Ric to die, but right now I see it as the most likely thing that might happen in the finale. What if he goes crazy and Damon/Stefan have to team up with Klaus and then kill him? What if Damon has to kill him?
Scary thought….
-Caroline
I used to love her endlessy in S2. In this season I still love her a lot, but I don’t know, something has changed and I see her flaws as more annoying. Anyway I loved her scene with Alaric and what she told him about her killing people when she turned. Let’s see what happens with her.
-Klaus
He is so screwed up and not less pathetic than Rebekah. Elijah is pathetic himself for being so naive when it comes down to Elena. I have to say I feel sorry for all of them btw. Their parents screwed up big time with them and they grew up in a hostile world which was afraid of them...but they had choices and they simply chose not to adjust but to live according to their instincts. They probably didn't even try to behave. Especially Klaus. He doesn't want to connect with people. He doesn't want to live a normal life. If Caroline is the trigger to push him to look inside himself and not be scared to deal with what he sees, then it's welcome. I do really enjoy Caroline/Klaus interaction...but if Caroline has just to be a girl he fancies over, then it's wasted. Caroline deserves better than this. I love Klaus because he's fucked up, ecause he has been rejected and betrayed by his own mother...but Klaus did have a choice. He knows people who chose differently, like Stefan. I loved what he told him ““Do you really have no appreciation for me? I have given you someone to hate, to loathe; a target for all of your anger so you don’t have to turn it on yourself. I have given your life purpose as your friend… I really think you should be thanking me.”… Klaus just didn’t have any reason to try to get to Stefan. He knew Stefan would have not killed him, so why did he say those things? Because I believe Klaus thought to have a friend in Stefan, who, like him, was not able to accept himself and who went for the easy “killing without remorse” way…but then Stefan changed, lived in denial for decades and now he is learning to accept himself…Klaus has lost the only person he thought could get him. So the whole point with Klaus is that the worse he behaves, the more he is hiding.
Klaus path to recovery is long and he is not even close to accept the idea that he needs to heal. For now Klaus is “I want this, I take this. None can question me”. Let’s see if he is going to evolve. Stuck characters are not for me and Klaus has GREAT potential.
-Rebekah
I think she was meant to be a witch…and then she was turned into a vampire. I feel like she has been rejected even more than Klaus himself, because she’s young and desperate. She craves for love and attention. She did really hope Damon was feeling something for her and when she realized she was used, she reacted as a young woman would. She wanted revenge, but she was still looking for attention. The way Klaus treated her was horrible. If one of his siblings is a menace for him, he is ready to kill them off. He wasn’t sorry for Finn. He wasn’t kind to Rebekah. Klaus is filled with hate, Rebekah with the fear to be left alone. I just hope she can realize that family means everything, but that family has to change to fit the world where they live in.
-Elena
Not much to say on her. I just think she is not so good as everyone seems to believe in the show. The Elena is good and caring. She is compassionate, but she is also selfish, manipulative, a liar. She is all of this and yet she is just a 18 years old, who is terrified to be abandoned (hence her way to connect to people who worship her) and who's trying to deal with her crappy life.
The letter Elijah wrote her annoyed me to no end, while it was mostly welcome by the fandom, because it was not believable for me that an old vampire like him would be so fascinated by a 18 years old who sold him out. While it's more acceptable that Bonnie forgives her, it's less obvious for me that other, more mature characters (as Ric and Elijah should be) can accept whatever she does without considering her accountable for it.
I was honestly disappointed by the lack of interaction with Damon after he was rescued and I did not like that her rescuing Damon was just a hallucination. But I am patient and I can wait, so I am keen to consider this one of those episodes which sets things in motion and don’t be bother too much by the things that actually annoyed me.
It’s pretty clear to everyone that Elena loves Damon too. Stefan is aware of it. Caroline and Bonnie too. Matt pretty much stated it out loud. The only two persons who seem to ignore it are Damon and Elena…but she is less in denial than Damon is. She can be scared to admit her feelings, but she knows she has some. It’s Damon who really thinks she has not.
One more thing: the scene between her and Stefan was beautiful, but it wasn’t heartbreaking imo.
Anyway, I think the writers are trying to slowly develop the complexity of her character and I am enjoying this.
-Bonnie
She always gets the short stick, doesn’t she? She is like Damon…if a character has to be hurt, it’s either Bonnie or Damon. If it’s not Abby, it’s Jeremy…I don’t really think she had any other chance that breaking the spell.
Immediately after the episode, I was pissed at her because she refused to help Damon but then after some re-thinking I changed my mind. When she saw him tortured, she was horrified. I fully believe she would have helped him if she wasn’t sure that Klaus and Rebekah would stop her. If she wanted to have revenge, she could have not called Elena and tell her about Damon, but she did. She did want to save him. I am not a Bamon shipper, but I do like their interaction and I do really want a scene with the two of them together because they do have chemistry and potential.
-Stefan
Awwww this boy. I heart him. I do. I loved him bitching about whittling the wood. Loved the complicity with his brothers when Ric told them he wanted to go to the sheriff. How for both of them, murder is a nonissues. How they know they are different from the humans. Yet so alike.
I totally enjoyed when he told Elena not do anything because he knows that if there is ever a hatched plan, Elena will screw up with it somehow. He was not ignoring the fact that Damon needed to be rescued, he was just trying to keep her out of it. Stefan was right, Damon told him to stop saving him, especially if this means to save an Original, but I also loved that Elena response’s was practically “screw what your brother wants, we must save him”. See, love?
Stefan really couldn’t deal with seeing his brother tortured, could he? Botherly love FTW!
But the scene he shared with Elena? Made of win! Because it’s the first time they have been so open and honest to each other. Stefan knows he can’t ignore Damon’s role in Elena’s life and he is not living in denial. Such a progress for him. I love my Stefan.
-Damon
Missed him around more in this episode. I loved everything he did, everything he said. I love how vulnerable he is, behind his façade. Everything he wants it’s to be loved by the woman he loves, but he is willing to give up to make Stefan and Elena happy. I want him to realize that Elena feels something for him.
I want him not be scared again. I want him to fight for what he wants. To stand up for himself and his feelings.
I was sorry he didn’t get some tender loving care after the torture. I wished so hard that the hallucination scene was true, because Damon needed it. But mostly because, me, as a viewer and a Damon fan, felt like he deserved some recognition for who he is and for what he does.
When Elena didn’t mention him in the list of the people who did not ask to become a vampire, I felt sorry because he really did not ask for it. Stefan did more than him. He wanted to die, because without Katherine his life was meaningless (and here we could start another chapter)..so Damon did not deserve the indifference I felt around him in this episode.
I know it’s not like that, I know both Stefan and Elena, even Bonnie, wanted to save him but it was like they were all pretty sure Damon was not going to die and save himself somehow… they were waiting, they were not frantically try to save him..I don't know how to explain this...I just know he is not the worst person in MF. He deserves love and respect. If he left, they would be all dead.
I feel like Damon and Bonnie have in common a lot more than meets the eyes….
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On the whole Damon wanted/did not asked to become a vampire, this is what I think:
re Arabian comment below: You know I was thinking the same thing. When he told Elena none forced him to love Katherine, he was exactly saying that it was not Stefan's fault if he turned.
That's why I said that at the very end, Damon did want to die because he thought Katherine was dead and he did not want to live the eternity without her.
I tried to explain it in the second part of my post. Damon didn't want to turn when he did because Katherine was dead. Stefan, who needed to be compelled, wanted to turn and chose to turn because his dark side was stronger..so at the very end, imho, they both chose to become vampires.
All in all a good episode, which set things up for a lot of possible choices...can't wait!!!
Holy that looks painful
Okay I skimmed
She is all of this and yet she is just a 18 years old, who is terrified to be abandoned (hence her way to connect to people who worship her) and who's trying to deal with her crappy life.
-- You are SO right! I hadn't thought about this before...
Re: Okay I skimmed
Re: Holy that looks painful
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I am really liking Damon more and more. His whole torture sequence, I couldn't help but think he was Dean a couple times. Crazy me. But do love the Salvatore brothers and their love for each other, despite the fact that they don't want to admit that. Men!
And Klaus and Rebekah. Don't care for either of them. Hate Rebekah more. She is a wimpering, selfish imp and I would love to see her killed, or at least put back in her coffin. As for Klaus, yea, his want for family, is nice, but he does have to realize you can't control or demand things of his family. He needs to love them and let them be themselves, not want Klaus wants them to be, which is so very irritating. And Caroline deserves far better than him. He needs to grow up and change A LOT before he will ever be anywhere near deserving of Caroline.
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No you were not crazy, I thought about Dean too...that boys is under our skin honey.
I agree about Klaus. He needs to grow up, because he is seriously acting like a bossy teen ager.
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And not only is Klaus acting like a bossy teenager, he is also acting like a spoiled, entitled brat. I certainly hope someone puts him in his place sooner rather than later.
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As for Klaus, I think he needs help. He needs to understand he's all kind of wrong..because for example wanting Elena to be slave of his wicked desire is wrong.
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Let's wait and see then :)
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That's why I said that at the very end, Damon did want to die because he thought Katherine was dead and he did not want to live the eternity without her.
I tried to explain it in the second part of my post. Damon didn't want to turn when he did because Katherine was dead. Stefan, who needed to be compelled, wanted to turn and chose to turn because his dark side was stronger..so at the very end, imho, they both chose to become vampires.
And if you noted, Elena flinched a bit before adding Stefan to the list.
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Hated how Elena skipped Damon on that list of hers, his only reason then was to become a vampire to be with Katherine forever. Stefan took care of that.
I,m thinking they need to burn the rest of those stakes to ashes and to keep it, cause you never know when that important ash will be useful
I really don't like all this morality crap Elena keeps bring up, she's an adolescent girl in the end who pretends to know everything better. I agree she's also compassionate and caring but in the end she can be very selfish and she's only lying to herself in this pretending&trying to hide her feelings for Damon...Although Bonnie is her best friend i hate that most of the times (since Bonnie find out she's a witch)she keeps asking her to do the impossible, and then with just some apologies all is dandy and nice. She should think more about how all of this is affecting Bonnie's life, i.m not blaming Elena on this but look at all the crap Bonnie has to go trough because of Elena...I,m sensing Bonnie would want to help Damon, despite of all the bad things he did to her. And the chemistry between them is nice, also in the books she is very, very attracted to him:)).
OMG! The hallucination scene...I kept thinking, please, please let this be real, but then the logical part of me kept saying: "this is to easy, how Elena managed to enter so freely in that house? Alone". I loved this special scene so much, the intimacy between them, Elena's selflessness, Damon's bedroom&vulnerable eyes. So hot and intimate, damn...
The explosive chemistry between the two of them
And as an accolade for this amazing scene i really must say this, cause it's bugging me for a while. The sound they make when they bite someone is still annoys me to high heavens, like biting an apple, wth?!That's how it sounds when you bite on skin? I don't think so:))
Klaus...hmmm. You said it well, Damon is perceived as mean but Klaus is an infinite way more evil. He will never change, and for me will remain the ultimate monster, and not only because is one of the most powerful vampires out there, but because of what's capable for in reaching his purposes. He never had mercy&empathy in his heart, not even before he became of vampire, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his dreams of a perfect family are messed up. Considering all of this, who would want a tyrant like him? Rebbekah is right, the Salvatores are fighting like dogs, but they will surely die for one another, they kept a shred of humanity despite of all the rivalry&life changing things happened between them. I understand that she was perhaps hurt by Damon but considering how many years has ahead of him i would think she would act herself more like an adult, not like a whiny girl. If she wants love&affection her way of acting will definitely not gonna bring her that. Just because they're the most powerful vampires ever doesn't mean they're not susceptible to heartbreak or hurt. She should learn to drop that bitchy act
That Stefan/Elena scene was great, loved how reasonable&rational Stefan is in knowing Elena is loving Damon too and she don't want to accept this fact because if she will she'll know that this thing will hurt Stefan. Actually, he gave her his blessing for being with Damon, hehe.
I really don't care about Finn&Sage. I only care that nobody, and by saying this i,m strictly referring to Elena didn't cared to comfort Damon after being tortured. Not even a little bit. I mean, i know he's a vampire and he heals fast and bla bla but he really needs some TLC, a hug at least
Bothered me that Elena&Damon's interaction in this epi was very low. Hope that some things will improve on the future epis
Loved this epi
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And he is still regretting it...
cause you never know when that important ash will be useful
Very smart!
I,m sensing Bonnie would want to help Damon, despite of all the bad things he did to her. And the chemistry between them is nice, also in the books she is very, very attracted to him:)).
I know that there is Bamon in the books and it's something I can see happening, if Damon realizes that there is not only Elena on this planet :)))
Agreed with you about Elena...btw I just think she needs to become darker and grow up.
I loved this special scene so much, the intimacy between them, Elena's selflessness, Damon's bedroom&vulnerable eyes. So hot and intimate, damn...
The explosive chemistry between the two of them
Yeah Ian and Nina are amazing!
!That's how it sounds when you bite on skin? I don't think so:))
You are so right!
He never had mercy&empathy in his heart, not even before he became of vampire, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his dreams of a perfect family are messed up.
Yep, that's why he still is a menace.
I understand that she was perhaps hurt by Damon but considering how many years has ahead of him i would think she would act herself more like an adult, not like a whiny girl.
I agree. I was quite disappointed ih how much predictable her reaction was. For being an Original she's letting her emotions prevail a little too often.
That Stefan/Elena scene was great, loved how reasonable&rational Stefan is in knowing Elena is loving Damon too and she don't want to accept this fact because if she will she'll know that this thing will hurt Stefan.
So much love for Stefan there...
I only care that nobody, and by saying this i,m strictly referring to Elena didn't cared to comfort Damon after being tortured. Not even a little bit.
How many times did I feel this way in SPN when I was asking for some tender loving care for Dean. Sam was just like Elena...
I mean, i know he's a vampire and he heals fast and bla bla but he really needs some TLC, a hug at least
Blame the writers!!!
Bothered me that Elena&Damon's interaction in this epi was very low. Hope that some things will improve on the future epis
Looks like it will!
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If they force me to pick up sides, I will always be on TEAM SALVATORE!!! YES!!! Go TEAM SALVATORE!
Is Ric starting to care about Damon again?...
*sighs* Oh how I wish. Honestly, I was having a real hard time gauging what Ric was thinking.
People say that Damon is mean (and he is sometimes), but Klaus is 10000 worse than him. He doesn't have mercy and as much as I like him and Caroline, right now Caroline can't be with him. Klaus needs to start a healing process if he wants to have a chance with her. He needs to do what Damon has done and despite everything good Damon has done lately, he is still condidered the bad guy. So for Klaus it might take a while.
I don’t think Klaus can do what Damon has done however, in large part because he has never showed the same kind of empathy/humanity. And after a thousand years of ignoring and discarding humans as frail and weak I just don’t see him wanting to heal properly or change. Damon, on the other hand, is a whole other kettle of fish. As the episode 1912 showed, Damon didn’t start out the seductive, bad boy killer he was in S1 and was in fact very detached and hurt still. Sage opened his eyes to what he could do as a vampire and how he could live life to the ‘fullest’. Though her definition of the fullest was far from a good model for Damon to follow. And it makes me so sad that everyone seems to still see Damon as the bad guy. Why nobody realizes the re-emergence of bad guy Damon is just a defense is beyond me. Even without the complete picture, the MF gang should know him well enough by now to recognize it. Ric especially as he is an adult whereas everyone else is a teenager.
In regards to Finn/Sage, I was actually happy to see them united. :) While Finn wasn’t the most interesting character, I did find it interesting that a part of his martyr streak was because he believed Sage was gone/moved on. And he did not condone everything Sage had done in the 900 years they’d been apart. It didn’t seem to make him love her less though. Also considering how no one else in MF has had any luck on being a happy couple seeing Finn and Sage and their love gave me warm fuzzies! So Sage’s grief when Finn died made me feel sorry for her, more so than even any of the other Originals. Hee, and I loved her entrance at the boarding house “Ding dong” *punches Caroline, punches Stefan* Niiiice!
Stefan you stupid boy....every time Damon is not around in a plan, the plan screws up big time. How could you be so naive to think that Klaus wouldn't have compelled Damon?
THIS! *facepalm* I really didn’t understand why Stefan came in the way he did or said what he said. His negotiation skills continue to suck. Really, he needs lessons or something. Hee, maybe Crowley could give him a few tips! :P
tbc...
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Oh Klaus definitely deserved a slap and maybe a good kick in the nards too! Actually, Rebekah earned my sympathy by the end of the episode despite hurting Damon. Woman scorned indeed! Although she continues to come across as a teenager in many instances…anyway, I love how she recognized that the Salvatores would die for each other. Also, it struck me that she really does have a connection to both of them. Her hanging out and pestering them in 1912 was a testament to that (even if it was to learn about the white oak). Personally, I think that played a large role in why she let Damon go as a sign of good faith. She was there and participated in Damon’s act to get Stefan to start learning control. And the way Klaus spoke to her at the end made me sad for her. It’s not attention she seeking, as much as connections. Like Damon, she just wants to be loved and valued as herself. Being treated with kindness and consideration is something she is not used to and she always reacts very strongly to it. See how Matt’s consideration for her changed her mind about killing him or her response to Damon’s seduction in the last episode.
Back to Ric.
I like all your thoughts on him here. Personally, I wasn’t feeling it so much in-between him and Damon. Though it really did strike me how it was Damon’s words that reached him, whereas Stefan was purely bossing him around. Damon was too, but he was doing it in a friendlier way in that he wasn’t so absolutely telling Ric he couldn’t turn himself in. Does that make sense, lol?
I really loved how Damon showed his concern for Ric when he gave him back the Gilbert ring. “You’re going vampire hunting, Ric. Wear it” Not an exact quote, but close enough. I think that was when it really connected in Ric’s mind that Damon cares about him. And really, it was a good thing. Ric kinda got thrown around the stairs by Rebekah, poor guy. Overall though, Ric seemed largely subdued and distant this episode. Understandably. Okay, so maybe I did sense more then I originally thought lol. And alter ego Ric is now loose with an white oak stake. Complications! Yay! :P
tbc...
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Speaking of Dean, I automatically thought of him during Damon’s torture as well, as both the victim and inflictor. In particular I was reminded of Dean torturing Alastair for the angels. Dean takes the pain to a whole different level though and considering, Damon actually got off pretty light with Rebekah.
I don't know how to explain this...I just know he is not the worst person in MF. He deserves love and respect. If he left, they would be all dead.
You explained it well, hon. :) Because really, nobody was acting all that concerned about Damon or actively trying to find him and rescue him. Sure, Elena talked about it, but she didn’t act on it. And heck yeah, they would have all been dead a long time ago if Damon was gone! Dead or completely screwed over. I’m actually waiting for something to happen to drive that home to everyone.
All in all, I agree that it was a good episode. :D
P.S. Hooray for Jeremy's return when the show comes back!! :D
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Exactly. Hrìe was so deeply in love with her that he just wanted to be with her. He wasn't aware of what being a vampire could mean and he didn't want to know. He just wanted Katherine.
1864Damon has always struck me as extremely naive despite being involved in the Civil War, which I find interesting.
So naive and rebelious at the same time.
It’s always made me wonder how being surrounded by all the death played in Damon’s psyche and desire to live forever with his beloved.
Interesting thought. Ironic is that he left the army because he couldn't deal with all the deaths and then he become a vampire who travelled the world drinking human blood.
Pretty sure he had a case of PTSD and that only got amplified when he became a vampire. It was not a severe case, Dean has him beat by a country mile and then some in that department, but PTSD is PTSD.
SO MUCH THIS to both Dean and Damon :)))
Speaking of Dean, I automatically thought of him during Damon’s torture as well, as both the victim and inflictor.
Of course I did too.
In particular I was reminded of Dean torturing Alastair for the angels. Dean takes the pain to a whole different level though and considering, Damon actually got off pretty light with Rebekah.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE SON EPISODE EVER!!!!
Dead or completely screwed over. I’m actually waiting for something to happen to drive that home to everyone.
Like it happened in Point of No return when everyone went crazy because Dean was about to sacrifice himself. Anyway in their defense, I must say that probably they didn't think that Damon was really in danger, especially Stefan. I mean it was like they were not considering Rebekah (and Klaus) interested in actually killing Damon...if this makes sense.
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Yep but so predictable and clichè...
Although she continues to come across as a teenager in many instances…anyway, I love how she recognized that the Salvatores would die for each other.
Yes and as you said, her connection with them is pretty interesting. I loved that she let Damon go. It was a sign of faith indeed, but respect too.
It’s not attention she seeking, as much as connections. Like Damon, she just wants to be loved and valued as herself. Being treated with kindness and consideration is something she is not used to and she always reacts very strongly to it.
That's why I feel emphaty for her. She was the only daughter and with a father like Mikael I bet her life wasn't easy.. her mother didn't look very concerned about her, not as much as she was for Klaus and I think Rebekah grew up without feeling the love she was looking for.
See how Matt’s consideration for her changed her mind about killing him or her response to Damon’s seduction in the last episode.
Exactly.
was Damon’s words that reached him, whereas Stefan was purely bossing him around.
Exactly this. Ric and Damon are connected.
I think that was when it really connected in Ric’s mind that Damon cares about him. And really, it was a good thing.
yes and Ric was with Damon all the time in this episode, when Damon was around. They are re-connecting.
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I don’t think Klaus can do what Damon has done however, in large part because he has never showed the same kind of empathy/humanity.
I totally agree. As caroline told him, he doesn't know how to connect to people and even when he was human he was not a easy kid to deal with.
As the episode 1912 showed, Damon didn’t start out the seductive, bad boy killer he was in S1 and was in fact very detached and hurt still. Sage opened his eyes to what he could do as a vampire and how he could live life to the ‘fullest’. Though her definition of the fullest was far from a good model for Damon to follow. And it makes me so sad that everyone seems to still see Damon as the bad guy.
I agree. You know it's easier to stick with tha oath. It's easier for Damon too so he doesn't have to deal with the consequences so to speak...but I do think people are starting to change their minds and if you think about it, people like Liz or Carol don't think he's the bad guy. I just think that this idea is bounded with the personal relationship every character has with Damon...since he is the one who forces people to question themselves, it's easier to move on and say that he is bad.
Ric especially as he is an adult whereas everyone else is a teenager.
But he did and Ric now is not Ric.
While Finn wasn’t the most interesting character, I did find it interesting that a part of his martyr streak was because he believed Sage was gone/moved on.
ONE TRUE LOVE....so poetic!
So Sage’s grief when Finn died made me feel sorry for her, more so than even any of the other Originals.
Totally, especially because Finn looked like the only one to really regret the fact to be a vampire...
His negotiation skills continue to suck. Really, he needs lessons or something. Hee, maybe Crowley could give him a few tips! :P
SO MUCH THIS!
Elena
She is all of this and yet she is just a 18 years old, who is terrified to be abandoned (hence her way to connect to people who worship her) and who's trying to deal with her crappy life.
I love this insight into her! This makes a lot of sense to me and certainly helps me to not be so quick to judge her.
I was honestly disappointed by the lack of interaction with Damon after he was rescued and I did not like that her rescuing Damon was just a hallucination.
Word. I kept waiting for them to have at least a short scene afterwards, and while part of me was happy to see their interaction in the hallucination, mostly I was disappointed that the show chose, once again, to take a meaningful, touching moment and suspend it in the dream world. It was completely in character for Damon to subconsciously want that, but it felt a little like throwing a scrap to DE fans (which, really, I don't think the show does, but it feels that way to me sometimes). I hope that makes some kind of sense to you - lol.
The only two persons who seem to ignore it are Damon and Elena…but she is less in denial than Damon is.
Good point and well said!! Damon is more in denial about Elena's feelings than she is, but who can blame him? Of course, he's not going to really have any idea the depth of them since she's buried them so far down. Add to that his non-existent self-esteem and he's going to need SERIOUS convincing to believe her feelings are genuine.
One more thing: the scene between her and Stefan was beautiful, but it wasn’t heartbreaking imo.
ITA. It was beautiful but distinctly felt like two exes saying the words but not having anything underneath them to support them.
Re: Elena
I'd rather not seeing it at all than it being a dream...poor babe. Our Damon doesn't deserve this.
. I hope that makes some kind of sense to you - lol.
It does.
Add to that his non-existent self-esteem and he's going to need SERIOUS convincing to believe her feelings are genuine.
It still blaffles me that Damon has self-esteem issues. No seriuosly how can he? He's awesome...
Agreed on Stefan/Elena.
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I'm afraid they will have to kill Alaric too :( I know he's been not so nice to Damon lately, but I still can't hate him.
Caroline to me, will never not be awesome. I ship her with Klaus, but at the same time am so worried for her. Especially with Tyler coming back, that's going to really hurt her if anything happens to him.
Klaus is just Klaus..he's evil and yet charming. I love the character, I don't want him to go. And he does have the potential to become allies with them at the very least if the threat is to them all. He does have potential to change too, as you said. Honestly, he really just has to stop making the hybrids. That would eliminate the needing Elena's blood factor, and it would take a lot of the threat away in terms of him sticking around.
Rebekah makes me terribly sad sometimes, she's just so desperate for attention and really wants someone to like her for who she is. Unfortunately, there aren't many people, outside of her family and maybe Stefan from before, that really understand her. And Klaus is really a bad influence on her, of course Kol is too. The best thing for her would be to maybe distance herself a bit from them. I'd love for her to become friends with Caroline, and eventually Elena too. She just has to get over the whole stabbing in the back thing lol
I'm never really sure what to say about Elena. I love her, but she doesn't always make the best decisions. That's really all I can say for her.
Bonnie needs better storylines, period. So far, the only thing that I've liked with her this season, has been her confrontation with Klaus and the spell in this episode. It showed her vulnerability and made me actually feel sorry for her, which I don't normally do. She got her moment to break down in this episode, and it really hit home for me how much she really needs Elena, Caroline, Matt, Jeremy, and even Abby in her life. She needs people she can depend on that aren't always worried about only Elena.
I loved also, Stefan and Elena's conversation at the end. Though I was still upset about Finn, so I had a hard time really paying attention to that scene. But I liked him, for once, actually confronting her about Damon and her feelings for him.
And Damon, what can I say? Damon does no wrong in my eyes, probably ever. I mean, yes, he was horrible to Caroline in season 1 and used Rebekah, though honestly, sometimes I wonder for her being an Original, she seems to let her emotions get the best of her. I'd think that after a thousand years, what Damon did, would be nothing to her in light of all she's been centuries through before.
I agree that Damon and Bonnie do have a lot more in common. They tend to be the ones that get left behind, so to speak. If she could get over the vampire part, I think they could be good friends, if not at least better allies.
I can't hate Klaus. Can I have him, Damon and Stefan roadtripping?
^^This would be so hilarious lol
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I think this attitude is changing...I don't want him to die neither.
Caroline to me, will never not be awesome. I ship her with Klaus, but at the same time am so worried for her.
I am worried for her too because I am not sure Klaus is ready to fall in love for another person. I mean, as long as he will be so self-focused, there's room for pleasure but plesaure is not love.
Klaus is just Klaus..he's evil and yet charming.
Totally charming.
And he does have the potential to become allies with them at the very least if the threat is to them all.
I think this is what it's going to happen...but I don't want him to consider Elena as his slave. This has to change.
Rebekah makes me terribly sad sometimes, she's just so desperate for attention and really wants someone to like her for who she is.
I am so sad for her too. Not even Klaus seems to love her for who she is, but mostly because she is the only one who has always been on his side.
The best thing for her would be to maybe distance herself a bit from them. I'd love for her to become friends with Caroline, and eventually Elena too. She just has to get over the whole stabbing in the back thing lol
So much this!
It showed her vulnerability and made me actually feel sorry for her, which I don't normally do.
Same here.
Though I was still upset about Finn, so I had a hard time really paying attention to that scene.
*hugs you*
But I liked him, for once, actually confronting her about Damon and her feelings for him.
I think Stefan is doing the right thing.
And Damon, what can I say? Damon does no wrong in my eyes, probably ever.
Same here, even when he does ;)
I'd think that after a thousand years, what Damon did, would be nothing to her in light of all she's been centuries through before.
My thoughts exactly.
If she could get over the vampire part, I think they could be good friends, if not at least better allies.
I would love to see this.
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I'm very much Team Salvatore - which is why that last conversation between Stefan and Elena, combined with the scenes from the next new episode, give me a stomach ache because I fear it all unravels again, and all because of a girl.
Come on, guys, there's a way to work this thing out. It doesn't have to be so black/white, Team Stelena or Team Delena. There is a middle ground to consider. *sigh*
IA that Bonnie needs better material. I don't know if it's the way the actress plays her combined with the writing, or if it's just the writing, or what, but even though I should feel sorry for Bonnie, I never do. She continues to annoy me.
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I do think Damon and Stefan will find a way to get through their common love for Elena. After what Damon told Stefan, I do think Stefan words to Elena were just his own way to give Elena the possibility to think about her own feelings.
Yep Bonnie needs something better.