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x5vale ([personal profile] x5vale) wrote2012-06-19 09:56 am
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SPN:How much do I miss them?

Hi flist,

how are you doing? I am good. Busy, melting because it's too hot, watching European Football Championship and enjoying them...can't wait to be on holiday though.

Anyway I was scrolling my dash on Tumblr and I saw these:










credit goes to marycannibal

I miss them so much...they were so perfect together. My shipper heart is still faithful to the magnificent idea that Dean and Jo were. I won't ever forgive SPN for having killed her off. Never. Jo was a character who deserved to be explored more.

*sighs*

[identity profile] lisichechka.livejournal.com 2012-06-22 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that Cas betrayed Dean and that it was/is disturbing.
Only for me it's different from what sam did because of their reactions after that.
Cas knows he was wrong, he admitted it and felt sorry for it. He tried to do everything to fix it. He risked his own life to do that.
He still doesn't trust himself because of what he did cause he's afraid he may become powerful again.
The difference between what cas did and what sam did is their reaction to that and also how it was when they did it.
Sam was told not once that he was wrong but was arrogant enough to think he's right.
Cas wasn't around Dean at the time he betrayed him so he wasn't under Dean's influence much and Dean had no time to convince him he's wrong.
And after that i feel that Cas feels sorry not only cause what he did but also cause he betrayed his only friend.
I don't feel it with sam. He never said or admitted he's sorry for his betrayal of Dean.
That's why i can't forgive him and i doubt i ever will be able to do that.
And that's why i forgave Cas when Dean forgave him.

[identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com 2012-06-26 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I think Sam did in his own way. He did say he was sorry and that he was wrong. Then we can discuss about the fact that his attitude wasn't coherent with his saying he was sorry.
I blame the writers. Castiel is written way more better than Sam, so I agree, he did something more than Sam in apologizing.

[identity profile] lisichechka.livejournal.com 2012-06-26 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is i don't think it's only in the writing. I don't believe that the writers write for sam for 7 years and still don't know how to write him.
For me the problem lies with the acting too (or the lack of thereof). The same things sam said to Dean could be said with different emotions on his face and with different attitude and then the effect would be different too.
The thing is Misga is a better actor and seems understand his character way better than jp hence the difference between sam's and Cas' apologies.

[identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com 2012-06-26 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I do think they know how to write him but they are not able to accomplish what they want, plus we have to accept that Sam is an unaffective character as Kripke himself decsribed him.

I agree that Jared is not good as Misha is in playing his character, but for me this is not enough. It's how they write the characters that makes the biggest difference for me.

Oh btw posted new Gaia pics.

[identity profile] lisichechka.livejournal.com 2012-06-26 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw her pics! She's adorable!!!

I'm not sure they really know what they want anymore. Maybe Kripke wanted sam to be all that and bag of cheaps but it never happened and the writers now have to accept it and go from there and stop pretending that sam is captain empathy. Without that this character is not necessary anymore. He played his part and there's nowhere they can explore him.
Otoh Dean... but that's the very different story :)