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It amuses me that during the hiatus some people don't really know what to do and make wank more than usual. What amuses me even more is how some people don't see the double standard they use when they talk about characters.

In TVD fandom for example, Caroline is a saint no matter what she does or what she says, while Elena is judged as a very very bad girl.

Elena is drawn to Damon? WRONG WRONG, he is the devil, he is bad, he is a monster...and she is a slut cos she was in love with Damon's brother...

Caroline is drawn to Klaus? OMG awesome, they are so cute. Klaroline is the best ship ever, Klaus is awesome...LOL!

Seriously, Caroline is not anymore the wonderful character she was in S2 and half of S3 and Klaus, who imo is still a great character, doesn't have half the character development that Damon (or Stefan) has. Not to mention that he is evil and has done things that Damon has never done.

Anyway...

Same happens in SPN, especially if we talk about Dean and Castiel. I am so tired to hear Castiel fans blaming Dean for whatever Cas has done and never once trying to hold their favorite character responsible for something. They still say that Dean betrayed (?????) Cas and don't even consider what CANON says (which btw is exactly the opposite).

The Haven fandom seems to be the quite one, mostly because it's not so big...but I can' really deal with crazy shippers on whatever sides they are. People can ship whatever they want, but denying canon is not exactly coherent.

Btw just random thoughts from a bored fangirl!

Have a nice day you all!

Date: 2012-12-20 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justtracy.livejournal.com
I think the problem with being a fan of one specific character (like Klaus or Castiel in the examples you've mentioned) is that whatever they do you can explain it away. Even if they do something really bad somehow it's acceptable because it's them, whereas if it was a different character that did the same thing you'd find it unforgivable or something. I'm probably guilty of it too sometimes.

Another thing I find - especially with the Supernatural and The Vampire Diaries fandoms - is that if you like one character then you can't like the other one. Like in The Vampire Diaries, I really like Stefan and Damon. I don't see why I should have to choose between them as I think they both bring something important to the show, the show wouldn't be what it is without both of them - the same applies to Sam and Dean in Supernatural. But I get the impression that some fans of either brother tend to then dislike the other one. I don't really understand that.

Date: 2012-12-21 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I think there is an explanation for everything a character does imo, but the point is that it should be admitted that they can be wrong.

I'm keen to forgive Damon for pretty much everything he does, but I can see when he is wrong. Also, I don't bash other characters to justify the actions of my favoritte ones.

Excatly. I like Damon more than Stefan, as I like Dean more than Castiel (I don't like Sam at all)...but I just enjoy to talk about my favorite one and not constantly whining about the other.

Date: 2012-12-21 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justtracy.livejournal.com
I agree but I think sometimes fans are more willing to forgive one character than they would any other. I've seen it before - especially in the Supernatural and Vampire Diaries fandoms. Dean and Damon seem to be the clear favourites in those fandoms and if Stefan/Sam do something bad people seem less forgiving of them then they would if it was Dean/Damon, even if Dean/Damon have done similar things in the past. I guess it's just human nature that you're more forgiving of someone you like, than someone you don't like as much.

I just tend to keep my focus on the things I like rather than the things I don't - although I don't think I dislike any characters in the fandoms you mentioned. I might like certain characters a little more though.
Edited Date: 2012-12-21 09:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-21 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I agree but I think sometimes fans are more willing to forgive one character than they would any other
I agree. I'm more willing to forgive Damon and Dean for the things they do because I can see their reasons easily.
I have no problem with this. If a Cas or a Sam fan wants to defend Sam or Cas, they are totally entitled to.
What I don't like (including Dean or Damon girls when they do it) is to bash another character to justify the actions of their favorite.

I don't dislike any characters aither but Sam Winchester. I have has lots of issues with him since S1, I have tried to love him and I did...right now he is indifferent to me and I don't care about what he does, unless his actions do harm someone else.
Edited Date: 2012-12-21 10:20 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-21 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justtracy.livejournal.com
"What I don't like (including Dean or Damon girls when they do it) is to bash another character to justify the actions of their favorite."

I agree again. I don't like it when people do that. I don't think there's any need for it.

Aww, really? I like Sam (although I do slightly prefer Dean). I think the fact that a lot of the fandom don't like him just makes me like him more. Like he needs defending or something. Lol!

Date: 2012-12-20 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkphoenix1985.livejournal.com
hey bb!!

I am just popping in to say that I just started watching Haven (I'm towards the end of S1) and I'm really enjoying it. My favorite character is Nathan so far.

How are you and hubby doing? HOW is Gaia?

Date: 2012-12-21 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Why am I not surprised about you liking Nathan?

We are all ok, will post some new pics soon.

What about you?

Date: 2012-12-22 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkphoenix1985.livejournal.com
;) You know me too well! I just adore him and his broodiness

That is good to hear *hugs* Can't wait to see the pics!

I'm good-- things are nuts here with my sister's engagement. My mom is going all out having a toast for her friends later today. Plus one of my mom's oldest friends just arrived here in Israel from London so yeah...

Date: 2012-12-20 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightstarmara.livejournal.com
Yeah, this sucks. I mean, hiatus isn't funny to begin with. What I don't understand is why people don't use this time without new episodes by writing meta's or making gifs, or fanfic. Or organizing a re-watch. Or learn a new skill, like making icons?

Or, why not try watching another show? Something new to do?

Heck, if people have too much time on their hands they can come over to my house and clear out my shed. Or clean my windows.

Date: 2012-12-21 09:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
A big, giant YES to all of THIS!

Date: 2012-12-20 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
I have to say, I agree with a lot of [livejournal.com profile] justtracy's points. In SPN Fandom, even your Dean!Girls can find an excuse at the drop of a hat when Dean screws up, but in this Fandom, I kinda feel bad for the Sam!Girls. Tht guys just...*sigh* Ohhh, SAM.

I am a regular canon!denier, lol!! But I stay quiet with it, ship what I ship, LOVE what I ship and try to not be an asshole towards other people's ships or what they interpret canon as.

But then, I love Doctor Who. We have a few batshit peoples, but honestly, canon can change at the drop of a hat, so everyone is pretty amiable and there is a niche for everyone. The ability to combine fandoms also seems to reduce fighting and batshit (as you can stick to canon, but AU is more likely with this genre). I mean...who doesn't love SuperWhoLock? Srsly...

Date: 2012-12-21 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I agree with her too.

I am very much canon orientes, but I have shipped not canon ship, so it's not about the ship thing.

Has Castiel betrayed Dean in the thing Dean did care about the most? Yes he did and this is what Castiel said in canon. Was Dean a douche to Castiel because he wasn't there for him? Maybe yes, but every time he tried Castiel didn't want to hear.
So let's say Dean didn't do enough for helping Cas, did he betray his best friend? No. This is canon too.

One thing is how we perceive the show, another thing is what the show is making canon.

People who totally deny canon just to make their fave characters better don't do any favour to their character. I think this is my point.

Date: 2012-12-20 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leelust.livejournal.com
I don't read cas fans but keep hearing aboout stuff like that and it makes me WTF! Dean betrayed cas? When exactly? When he stormed Purgatory uo and down to find him when cas was sitting on his ass doing nothing?
I like cas so for not getting mad at him i don't read cas fans cause really they're like sam fans, they only want Dean to do everything for cas and not to have anything of his own.

Date: 2012-12-21 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Nope, apparentely in S6 because he wasn't much there for Castiel...

Anyway it's not this even the point of my rant..LOL!

Date: 2012-12-20 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] florencia7.livejournal.com
Every fandom has its double-standards, I'm afraid, depending on which part of a fandom it is ;) I actually enjoy justifying characters' actions in general and I also tend to love everyone on the shows I'm watching, so I try to avoid places where people seem to discuss shows as if they were being blackmailed into watching something awful that they absolutely loathed lol It doesn't mean I don't like making fun of certain characters or criticizing things, but it's always, I don't know, "loving criticism"? ^^

lol @ Damon being evil. Yes, there are fans out there who will always consider him evil-est. Give up on trying to convince them otherwise. It's not possible lol

Date: 2012-12-21 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I know this, but you should be aware that you are judging according to what you like and what you don't.
You (we) should not force our opinion on the others especially if canon is telling another story.

"loving criticism" it's what I do to and if I totally dislike a character I usually don't talk much about it. I prefer to focus on what I like or on the characters I love (but might criticize) than about the others.

Oh I won't even try to convince them. It's clear they are not watching the same show I watch.

Date: 2012-12-21 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stjra.livejournal.com
*squishes you*

Ugh, you just summed up why I kind of hate fandom at times. I love the people that I have met (like you ;) ) who I can rationally discuss and at times disagree about our favourite show, its the crazy buggers that just will not shift on ANYTHING that isn't their head!canon that drive me freakin' nuts! I have character and ship biases, of course I do, we all do, but I'm happy to discuss and analysis why I feel the way I do with others that also love the show and understand the characters so I can appreciate and understand their povs. Hell, there are number of times from reading other friends posts that my mind has been changed completely on things because they (as you have done on a number of occasions) helped me to see the character/situation/issue from another angle which changes my view. To me that is what "fandom" is and should be all about. Sharing each others experience of the show to gain a greater appreciation for it from all povs.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I'm just so glad there are people in my fandoms like you that are reasonable, rational and considerate of others povs. It definitely makes me thorough enjoy the few moments of fandom time that I do get to indulge in these days, now life is so damn hectic.

Never change Val! I adore you just the way you are. :D

Date: 2012-12-21 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stjra.livejournal.com
OMFG, I just saw you header!

*THUD*

Iz dead from the deliciousness of it!

Date: 2012-12-21 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I love my shiny new header.

Ilaria mad a wonderful job!

Date: 2012-12-21 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I can say that everything you wrote applies to you too.

You are awesome and I love you.

I just hope to have you around more.

*loves*

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