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First of all, since I have doubts about the whole sire bond thing because of all the inconsistencies and the plot holes (one for all: Elena kissing Damon before getting back at home...it's clear she wants to be with him), I'm linking here [livejournal.com profile] arabian review, since she explained my doubts like I never could:

why the sire bond thing doesn't work"

Whatever your take is on the sire bond, I would say that it is not working from a story- writing point of view. The issues it raises are too much and give me a headache. Since I can't believe is poor writing, I think it's been doing on purpose. You know, something like "let's get them focus on it, so I can work on the bigger picture without having to worry too much about the smart ones". So while "I expect more twist and angst, I also believe that the sire bond will beused as a plot device to make some characters act in certain way so that other characters can pursue a purpose.

Onto the episode.

-Damon broke my heart again and I really can't take it...seriously this guy is never allowed to be happy, he is never allowed to be trusted, to be wrong..because if a monster like Klaus does wrong, people feel sorry for him (i.e. Caroline and Stefan), but if Damon does, he is damned. I know things are more complicated than this and I also know that people like Bonnie, Matt and Jeremy are less hard on Damon than Caroline or Stefan are, but sometimes I just can't take their view oh him. It breaks my fangirl heart, because honestly he doesn't deserve it. He did good by his brother, he did good by Elena.
Sure he could have done it immediately after he got back from New Orleans, but the guy needed to register what happened, that his life was going downhill once again. Damon didn't register the fact that Elena had feelings for him before...he just doesn't see the truth of it, he is sinking into his own emotional mess and he needed some time to process everything.
I love the words he used...because they weren't "you"...they were all about what he was going to do. This gives me hope about the fact that Damon will not accept to let her go away without even trying to fight. But also, when he said that Christmas was his and Stefan favorite holiday, my heart melt and the thing I want more is the two of them to have some happiness and to be ok with each other.
That being said, I loved his interaction with pretty much everyone.

-Elena
I have not much to say about her. I just can say that it was good to see her and Jeremy together. It was good how she tried to talk to Damon and don't give up on him. She won't,I think.

-Jeremy and Damon! OMG YAY!!!! Jeremy said "they shouldn't have come here"...not just Elena. Damon too. Jeremy and Damon working together, Damon protecting him? ALL THE FEELS.

-Wants more Matt and Rebekah.

-Stefan
I get everything he feels, I get his pain, his anger, his feeling betrayed...I get everything. That's why I can't blame him for anything he did in this episode. The saddest thing for me though is that he doesn't want to find the cure because Elena wants to be human again, but because he needs her to be human again.
Stefan will be pissed at Damon, because he lied to him...I can't blame him, but I can't blame Damon either. They are both screwed and desperate over this girl. Their bond will survive, but they are going to hurt and suffer like never before.

-Klaus
I love him. Seriously, this guy is so screwed and so evil. He is desperate and lonely too and I can't help but having a thing for messed up, torture souls.

-Prof Shane
I don't trust him. I think he is working with Klaus because they do want the same thing, even if for different reasons. I still think that Shane is more interested in the power of Silar than in anything else. Loving the love/hate relationship he shares with Damon.

-Tyler
He's grown up on me week by week. I was totally with him in this episode. Stefan and Caroline were unfair to him...totally disrespectful of who he is. Hybrids don't value less than any of them. They are people, just like any other vamps out there.

-Bonnie
Liked her and her rebonding with Jeremy. Also her attitude with Damon has softened a bit.I am sorry Shane is so using her.

-Caroline
A friend help another friend to heal. A friend doesn't try to destroy the only real important bond another person has had in all his life. Caroline should try to fix things, to help Stefan to understand and trust his brother. She does the opposite. She instigates Stefan against Damon.
If she has issues with Damon, and she has (I have an unpopular opinion on it though), she should tell Stefan she is not the right person to talk about Damon. She should detach. I just hope Stefan will be smarter than this and actually see the entire picture.
I used to like their friendhsip, but right now I don't because I think it's dangerous for Stefan. Damon is his only family left. They need to stick together. I'm sure they will, I just hate when a so called friend is so much biased to be inappropriate and not really helpful. Caroline is following the Lexi pattern, which I hated so yeah,..unless she changes her attitude, I'm not going to enjoy her and Stefan closeness. Imo she is not acting like a friend should.
Actually not even as a girlfriend should.
Do we wanna talk how she acted with Tyler. She should have been on his side and she wasn't. She betrayed Tyler, because it was like stating loud and clear that she wasn't in love with him at all. When she had to decide if that sword was more important than the life of the hybrids, she chose the sword. She actually chose Stefan (a friend) over Tyler (her boyfriend). So, unless something doesn't work properly in Caroline, the only reason I see for it is that she doesn't love him as she claims to or, and this would be even worse, she thinks Tyler would do whatever she says, just because she is Caroline. Once Tyler told her he was going to save those hybrids and get free of Klaus, she just didn't take his side. Can't like her at this point.



HAAPY WEEKEND and HAPPY HAVEN FRIDAY!

Date: 2012-12-14 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
Happy Weekend and Haven day, bb!!

*SQUISHES*

Date: 2012-12-14 09:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-14 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metallidean-grl.livejournal.com
I used to likeCaroline up until this episode. But what she did here, yea not liking too much. You are right, she was not supportive of Tyler at all. If she loved him, she would have supported his decision no matter what. But she was putting her feelings for Stefan, and in turn, Elena, over Tyler's. and then what she told Stefan about Damon, she didn't have to do that. She should have kept her big mouth shut. I did not like that at all. I'm not sure what it is she has so against Damon, but she needs to get over it and lighten up towards him a little.

Damon broke my heart when he broke the bond with Elena. Very "Dean" like. Why isn't Damon allowed to be with the one he loves. Everyone else is, so why not Damon? Not fair if you ask me.

Date: 2012-12-14 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I used to like Caroline up to S2. Started to dislike her in S3, totally not standing her in this season.

She was cruel with Stefan. Everyone say what an amazing friend she is, but friends don't do that. They just don't.

Oh Damon and Dean have a lot of things in common. Self esteem issues in the first place...but also a big heart.

Nope not fair, but you know our heros can never be happy...sigh.

Date: 2012-12-14 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metallidean-grl.livejournal.com
Caroline was cruel with Stefan. She had to have known that her information would hurt Stefan. You are right, you don't go and give friends news you know will upset or hurt them. You keep that to yourself, unless it is something you feel they need to know, and Stefan didn't need to know what she told him. It's almost like they are making her this wise old woman that has lots of wisdom, when in actuality she is still a spoiled teenage girl that has a lot of growing up to do.

Damon and Dean do have a lot in common. Besides the self-esteem issues and big hearts, they both have beautiful eyes. They are both willing to sacrifice their own happiness for the welfare and happiness of others, and they both have hearts of gold covered up by snark and machismo. Can't help but love a man like that.

Date: 2012-12-17 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
It was totally uncalled for, because you know things are way more complicated than she was hinting to Stefan. Damon was wrong in lying to his brother, but she was wrong in telling Stefan somethng that Elena had trusted her with.

Agreed with you about Dean and Damon :)

Date: 2012-12-14 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] florencia7.livejournal.com
This awkward moment when... I feel more sorry for Klaus than Stefan lol & Seriously, I just couldn't get over how nasty it felt when Stefan asked Damon if he had told Elena to stay away from him. Because there are so many different ways in which he could've asked about that (if he really had to). He could've just said something like "what about the Elena problem?" That's how Damon wouldn't worded it, I'm sure. He would have said something vague. But Stefan? Nooo. He made sure to spell it out. The whole sentence, all the details included. Maybe it's just me & it's just a detail, but it came across as nasty & judging from the next ep's promo, Stefan's attitude is only getting worse.

It's also annoying how certain Stefan is that once the bond is broken/Elena's human again she'll run back to him. Again, I think there's something nasty about this conviction of his, because he was the one who told Elena in S3 that she was "also in love with Damon". So he DOES KNOW that. Maybe he even knows that more than Damon does at this point, so him trying to keep DE apart is just... nasty. He knows that Elena had feelings for Damon before she turned & YET he is so sure she'll come back to him once she's human. Why? Not because he thinks her feelings for Damon will evaporate, but because he knows that human!Elena was in denial, was scared to take that step & do what she wanted & THAT is, well, nasty too (I think I'll just settle for the word "nasty" today lol)

Sorry about the rant! '^^ I can't believe we have to wait over a month for the next ep! *____*

Date: 2012-12-14 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I get you on Stefan. I don't know I think the part that made me feel sick was his scene with Caroline at the ends. She broke his bond with his brother and she wasn't even sad for it.

I know Stefan thinks that Elena will get back to him, I think he really needs to see right through this. I think he probably will when his brother will sacrifice everything for him and Elena.

You know, like Damon dying to save them both and Stefan finally opening his eyes. Of course Damon won't ahve to stay dead for too long!

I am here to discuss and rant so you don't need to be sorry.

Actually i need a break. This show keeps killing me.

Date: 2012-12-15 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ann-tara.livejournal.com
I think the part that made me feel sick was his scene with Caroline at the ends. She broke his bond with his brother and she wasn't even sad for it.

I just realized Caroline is sort of the Sam W of TVD insofar as, for the life of me, I cannot understand the choices the writers are making with this bitch. And she is a bitch, I have zero sympathy or empathy for her. She's just vile and hateful at this point, and I don't see how Julie Plec or anyone on the writing staff can't see how she's coming across.

Plus, I cry foul on Julie for waffling with this sire bond crap. Last week it's made perfectly clear that Elena wouldn't be sired to Damon in the first place if she didn't already have feelings for him as a human. This week they're saying none of her feelings are real because she's sired to Damon. I know Julie is a raging Stelena!girl, but trying to ride the fence here is going to piss off everyone.

I'm so disappointed that Hayley turned out to be so black/white, putting her own selfish desires above the lives of 12 innocents. What she did is so completely heinous that there's only one route for her now - a violent bloody death.

Poor Carol. Poor Tyler. He's the biggest surprise of the season with me.

Date: 2012-12-17 09:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Caroline is still one of the most loved character of the show and I guess it follows the same pattern Sam Winchester does: once fandom thinks a character is good, it remains good no matter what...but I have seen a lot of people strongly disliking Caroline so far.

I dunno about Plec being a Stelena fan, I mean she could be, but she is doing a pretty good job in writing Damon and Elena's journey so far.

She tweeted yesterday that the character she's enjoying the most to write is Damon..so yeah it looks like someone else we used to know!

Date: 2012-12-14 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ckll.livejournal.com
Seriously, Caroline needs a kick in the butt. I agree about everyone and of course Damon.

Date: 2012-12-14 08:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-14 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mangokulfi.livejournal.com
I finally got caught up on TVD and I totally understand your Damon love now. :D

Was there a new episode of Haven last week? I think might have missed a couple. When is the finale?

Date: 2012-12-14 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Yay!!! Seriously he's got under my skin like only Dean has.

So I can count you in the big TEAM!Damon club. LOL. Hope to see you talk about it then :)

Haven is on tonight and next Friday will be the finale.

Date: 2012-12-14 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
I agree on everything except Caroline. I get where Caroline is coming from, and I genuinely get that she doesn't get that Stefan needs and loves Damon, nor that Damon needs and loves Stefan. I think it's the same thing with Lexi where she only got Stefan's pissed-off-ness at Damon, and didn't see all the good stuff. The difference is that Stefan is in a better place overall with Damon than Lexi ever saw, and Caroline will have the opportunity to witness that. I mean, remember how shocked Caroline was when Stefan was talking Damon up at the end of 4.08. She's never heard positive stuff about Damon from Stefan before. I do think it's coming, it's just the only thing that narratively makes sense. Right now, she thinks she is being a good friend. She's just so blinded to everything else because of her Damon-issues and Stefan hasn't been fully honest with her about that situation.
Edited Date: 2012-12-14 10:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-17 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I can see where Caroline comes from too, I just don't agree with his way to be a friend.
I am willing to give her a chance and change my mind if she realizes how much the brothers love and care for each other.

Plus my issues with Caroline are also because of the way she is acting with Tyler.

Let's say Caroline is a little bit confused right now and if this will addressed and resolved, I might be ok with her again.

Date: 2012-12-15 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jendeana.livejournal.com
I hate this I used to love Caroline now I cringe every time she comes on the screen ..

Date: 2012-12-17 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Me too...exactly my same feeling.

Date: 2012-12-16 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stjra.livejournal.com
Ugh, FINALLY caught up on VD! Man all the great stuff I missed! RL has been sooooo crazy of late...and not likely to slow down anytime soon either I'm afraid *sigh*

OH MY DAMON HOW I LOVE YOU SO!

I agree that they are using the sire bond stuff to distract us. I think its all to do with the 12 sacrifices personally. It keeps coming up time and time again. 12 killed in the pastors house explosion, 12 hybrids, 12 souls to break the sire bond (that isn't really but to tap into expression magic that Mr Creep pants is conning Bonnie into sliding into). I haven't been able to piece it all together in my head yet, but I will watch them all again and see if I can see the master plan when the OMG DAMON love isn't getting in the road! I think it will take a lot of rewatching to over come! Lol!

I just don't understand how people can't see who Damon really is. He constantly says he is the selfish one..ha! He has sacrificed for everyone else time and time again and without needing everyone to know about it! I think that part of Damon is one of the key things I adore about him. He most often hides the fact that he has been self sacrificing, where as so many other characters are desperate to show what they have given up for the others. He wants people to love him for who he is, but won't go out of his way to show them who that person is. Man I adore his character so damn much and as soon as they did the sire bond thing I knew it was going to break his heart cause he believed Elena loved him for him not because of a bond. Now he doubts that her love is real. I personally think it is, it's just all heightened (like all vampires emotions when they are new) and so more intense then it was before. It was there way before she was turned, we could all see that very clearly.

I feel sorry for Stefan, but at the end of the day he made it clear to Elena that he loves her more as a human than a Vampire. Of course she will be more drawn to the person who has always accepted her just the way she is regardless of how she has been to him, then towards the person who has always been quite pushy and judging of how she should be and act. *shrugs* Probably just me being bias to Damon, but whatever! :P

As for Caroline, I think there is a lot that is making her act this way so I'm pissed with her but can't hate her. Firstly she's all confused about what's going on with Tyler and Klaus and then there is the whole Damon abused her as a human to get back at Stefan (yeah not Damon's most shining moment I'll admit) and then I think there is some power and control stuff going on for Caroline. Everything as been so out of control for so long, she is slipping back into her old bossy bitch habits to try and gain some control over the out of control world she is in. All that said, if she doesn't pull her head in soon, then I'm afraid my patience for Bitch!Caroline will disappear and I will not be so fond of her anymore. :P

*squishes you*

Date: 2012-12-16 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stjra.livejournal.com
Oh and I just had to add some extra Damon love that I remembered as I was gazing fondly at all your Damon clips.

My heart hurt when he looked to the chair beside him and ordered another drink for Ric! OMG SO MUCH LOVE!

And Damon in a WWII ear uniform! OMFG I need some AU fic of him fighting in the war and being awesome. :)

That is all for now! :P

Date: 2012-12-17 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
THIS THIS THIS!

*cries*

So happy to have you back :)

Date: 2012-12-17 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I think its all to do with the 12 sacrifices personally. It keeps coming up time and time again. 12 killed in the pastors house explosion, 12 hybrids, 12 souls to break the sire bond (that isn't really but to tap into expression magic that Mr Creep pants is conning Bonnie into sliding into).
Also, looks like in some upcoming episode a hunter will be very interested into the sire bond thing. Wondering why.

I haven't been able to piece it all together in my head yet, but I will watch them all again and see if I can see the master plan when the OMG DAMON love isn't getting in the road!
It won't happen anytime soon. The Damon love is impossibile to control :)

I just don't understand how people can't see who Damon really is. He constantly says he is the selfish one..ha!
From the characters point of view I think it's because it's easier like that. Fandom wise well...you know how fandom works.

I think that part of Damon is one of the key things I adore about him. He most often hides the fact that he has been self sacrificing, where as so many other characters are desperate to show what they have given up for the others. He wants people to love him for who he is, but won't go out of his way to show them who that person is.
In tears now. Totally agree with you.

Man I adore his character so damn much and as soon as they did the sire bond thing I knew it was going to break his heart cause he believed Elena loved him for him not because of a bond. Now he doubts that her love is real.
Self esteem issues play a big role in this moment. Damon still thinks he is not worth to be loved.

I personally think it is, it's just all heightened (like all vampires emotions when they are new) and so more intense then it was before. It was there way before she was turned, we could all see that very clearly.
It's also what the witch said in 4.08.

Probably just me being bias to Damon, but whatever! :P
Stefan is complex too and I can see why he can't deal with Elena as a avampire. Basically because he can't deal with himself as a vampire. Stefan still denies part of who he is.

As for Caroline, I think there is a lot that is making her act this way so I'm pissed with her but can't hate her.
I don't hate her but I don't vlike her right now.

Firstly she's all confused about what's going on with Tyler and Klaus and then there is the whole Damon abused her as a human to get back at Stefan (yeah not Damon's most shining moment I'll admit) and then I think there is some power and control stuff going on for Caroline.
Let's see what happens...Klaus has been way more evil than Damon has never been so yeah...at least stop judging!

Edited Date: 2012-12-17 09:55 am (UTC)

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