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Two scenes made the episode for me.



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“A vampire only bonds to her sire when she already has feelings. Human feelings. Vampirism only heightens those emotions.”





Those two scenes made the episode for me because they pointed out that Damon has never totally lost his humanity.
When he listened to Lexi, he actually protected his brother, stepping back. Not thinking about what he wanted, and he wanted it hard since Stefan was the only family left ("you all I have got"...rings any bell?), he just let his brother go, allowing him to build up a happy life. Damon has always loved his brother.
When he told Elena that he was the bad guy and he should let her go in oder to set her free, my fangirl heart broke.
For two reasons:
-Damon still thinks he is not good enough. He might stands up for himself when he is rational and strong, but when he is vulnerable, he feels like he is still not worth to be loved. He feels like his past comes back every time to haunt him down and never lets him to have some happiness, which, by now, he totally deserves.
-Damon wants to do the right thing. He has done the right thing more often than he allows himself to think and let the others see. He wants Elena's feelings to be real more than anything else and it looks like he has forgotten about the witch words: A vampire only bonds to her sire when she already has feelings. Human feelings. Vampirism only heightens those emotions.
It was stated loud and clear twice (by Tyler and the witch) that the sire bond doesn't affect emotions and feelings, but the way you act. So it's canon what Damon/Elena fans have been saying for months: Elena's feelings for Damon has been there since at least S2. Hidden, denyed, but there, slowly building up.
So yes, maybe the sire bond has made everything faster, but it hasn't acted on the feelings. Not once Damon told Elena to love him, to have sex with him. Not once he has taken adavantage of her.
So in my eyes he is not doing anything wrong, he is just fighting for his love and this made me happy, because I was afraid he was going to give up.
I think Damon will fight and try to set things right at the same time. There's no reason to leave if Elena's feelings were already there.
I am fascinated by how the sire bond has been descripted in TVD, because in other vamps shows it worked quite differentely.

Now on to the other characters.
Stefan:
I love him. Sometimes I love to hate him, but he is interesting to see. Because he's doing stupid things, bad things, he is acting like a douche (but hey it's understandable), but he is also admitting when he is wrong (is this ever going to happen in SPN?).
When he told Damon that he was wrong for Elena, he immediately regretted it and apologized, because Damon is his brother and he has learnt who Damon really is. Not totally, not yet, but Stefan is slowly changing his mind about his brother. Not dentying Damon's flaws, but looking right through him and seeing the good that Damon has tried to hide so hard for too long.
Stefan loves his brother, Stefan shows that he loves Damon. He actually sacrificed everything for him.
I love this bond so much. They might have hit a rough patch, but they want to recover their bond, to make it work. I have seen them getting to learn something more about each other. I have seen Damon telling Stefan that he might not know him like he thinks, I have seen Stefan torn between wanting to blame Damon for everything and be unable to do it because Stefan knows Damon hasn't done anything wrong.
I have seen good brotherly love and rivalry. I have basically seen two brothers caught in an impossibible situation (Damon saying "can we wait a day before we destroy him?" or Stefan saying "he loves her as much as I do") and trying to deal with it in the best way they can...trying to hurt each other the less they can and trying to make the right thing.
This episode was a real ode to their brotherly bond, which, for me, remains the relationship I am more invested in.
So my DEFAN heart is happy....would be have been happier if Stefan had made the next step and defended Damon in front of Caroline (which he did somehow though) or told Damon that he knows he is a better man (which again he did, I just wanted it clearer), but I know I can't ask for this now. It will happen, but Stefan needs more time.

Elena.
I like her, I like how cute she is when she is just a girl trying to forget her crappy life. I liked her wih Damon, how much happy she looked. The sparkles and the joy. The sire bond doesn't matter. It's not what it does. Those feelings, that passion have always been there.
I also enjoyed she stood up for Damon, because, at the end of the day, she is the one who knows him better. She is the only one Damon has ever opened up to.

Caroline.
Sorry, still no love for her. She's blind and deaf.

Tyler.
He is the real surprise of this season for me. I spent the last three seasons basically feeling indifferent to him and now I like him. I like his partnership with Damon, I like his way of thinking. I like him not having an hidden agenda. Also, I liked him in this episode fighting for his kind and his girl.

Bonnie.
Too little to judge her.

Shane.
He wants the power...he's not that good, isn't it?

Still missing Rebekah, I want more Matt and less Caroline.

All in all a good episode, considering how much I was worried about it.




HAPPY HAVEN DAY and HAPPY WEEKEND YOU ALL!

Catching up soon :)

ETA just cause I have to write them down.

Damon's speculations. No spoilers.
OMG all these "Damon is going to die by the end of the season and once Elena and Stefan will get him back, the sire bond will be broken" speculations are seriously scaring me.

I could barely deal with his death in the books, I can't even imagine my reaction if I get to see it on the show. I would cry all my tears...but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Damon is not going to give up on Elena. Not to mention that if he did, he should have to go since he and Elena couldn't be in the same place...so yeah Damon will fight for Elena.

Plus professor Shane is working on some kind of spell to bring people back. It was hinted in 4x08 talking about Haley's parents.

So what if Damon dies and he is brought back? Is it possible that he comes back as human?

OMG TVD is having me speculating and I think last time it happened was with SPN S5.

Yay!!!

Date: 2012-12-07 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Other than the pooltable-fight scene, I'm still meh on Tyler, but I loved Bonnie in this episode - not much, no, but I thought she was adorable.

I really loved the episode, not surprisingly, it is me, LOL!

Also, did you see my comment with the resized gifs for you? I did get them done.

Date: 2012-12-10 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Bonnie was adorable. I wish we could have an interesting SL for her.

ONG no I missed it, thank you so much sweetie. ILY!

Date: 2012-12-07 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ckll.livejournal.com
These two episodes were the best for my Damon/Elena heart! I dislike Caroline and Bonnie too.

Date: 2012-12-10 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
For me too.

OMG AUDREY!!!!

Date: 2012-12-10 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ckll.livejournal.com
I love these last episodes of Haven so much!

Date: 2012-12-10 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
*loves*

Date: 2012-12-07 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] florencia7.livejournal.com
I expected this ep to make me sad... for some reason, but it didn't make me sad at all. Just the opposite, in fact ;D It was wonderful.

AHHH Your speculations have me worried :/ I really don't think we need this kind of drama right now *sigh* ^^

Date: 2012-12-10 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Exactly, it didn't make me sad either. Not about D/E at least.

No we don't, but I see this as possible. Damon is not going to die permanentely though, so don't worry!

Date: 2012-12-08 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ann-tara.livejournal.com
So what if Damon dies and he is brought back? Is it possible that he comes back as human?

Gonna respond to this first, because someone on another board I frequent speculated that the vamp cure will be found by the end of the season, but will accidentally be used on Damon. And he becomes human, thus changing up the dynamic. What do you think?

The speculation that Damon might die and is brought back makes more sense given what the Professor seems to be up to. But I'm getting the niggling feeling that one way or the other, Damon might become human. Not sure how I feel about that.

How and when does Damon die in the books, and please tell me the showrunners are not following the books that closely. They have to know Damon is too popular to dump. *nervous*

Tyler is working for me this season too - he's stepping up and trying to do right by his fellow hybrids. And I like Hayley, but I'm not happy that she's working for the professor. But at least she genuinely cares about Tyler.

But why does our resident creepy professor need 12 unsired hybrids?

Caroline can STFU and die already. She is working my very last nerve. Hate, hate, hate her this season!

I'm happy that the vamp sire bond does not affect the fact that Elena had feelings for Damon before she was turned - or, more to the point, it only comes about if the turned individual had feelings before his/her maker made him/her. And Stefan heard that and has to understand that no matter what Damon does or does not do, it's not going to change the fact that Elena likes/wants/loves Damon too.

I love the Stefan/Damon bond - just when you think Stefan is going to hate all over Damon, he pulls back, remembers he cares about his brother, and doesn't go off half-cocked, like another little brother we know.

I thought the saddest moment in the whole episode was when Lexie told Damon he couldn't enlist with his brother, and Stefan is waiting for Damon at the train station, and Damon stops and does what Lexie thinks is best for Stefan even though he wants so badly to be with his brother. *SOB*!!!!

And Damon does the same thing the minute he understands that Elena is sired to him. Despite what bitchy Caroline thinks, he immediately starts to find a way to do the right thing and break the bond - and admits to Stefan that he was wrong. The bad guy doesn't behave like that. Damon is not the bad guy. STFU Caroline!!!!!!!

Date: 2012-12-10 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Gonna respond to this first, because someone on another board I frequent speculated that the vamp cure will be found by the end of the season, but will accidentally be used on Damon. And he becomes human, thus changing up the dynamic. What do you think?
It's possible. I think the show is hinting bothe the possibilities and the books actually went down this route (Damon died), so yeah I can see this happening.
Honestly I don't want him to die on the show and I dont want him to become human. I'm selfish, I know, because it would mean exploring a other traits of his personality, but I like my Damon the way he is.

But I'm getting the niggling feeling that one way or the other, Damon might become human. Not sure how I feel about that.
The thought scares me, tbh.

How and when does Damon die in the books, and please tell me the showrunners are not following the books that closely. They have to know Damon is too popular to dump. *nervous*
Damon comes back, don't worry. They are not to get rid of him.

And I like Hayley, but I'm not happy that she's working for the professor. But at least she genuinely cares about Tyler.
I agree. I like her. I want to know more about her plans.

But why does our resident creepy professor need 12 unsired hybrids?
This is something yet to be revealed. It's linked to the power the witch was talking about with Damon and Stefan, so it will be interesting to watch.

Caroline can STFU and die already. She is working my very last nerve. Hate, hate, hate her this season!
She is even worse than Bonnie when it comes to being judgey. In my book, she wanted to sleep with Damon in the first place, and even if Damon took advantage of her, she was not the innocent girl everyone seem to think. I know this is an unpopular opinion in the fandom, but honestly I have never considered her as a abused girl.

I'm happy that the vamp sire bond does not affect the fact that Elena had feelings for Damon before she was turned - or, more to the point, it only comes about if the turned individual had feelings before his/her maker made him/her.
And Stefan heard that and has to understand that no matter what Damon does or does not do, it's not going to change the fact that Elena likes/wants/loves Damon too.
Looks like there will be a lot of angst on this. Both Damon and Stefan kinda ignored this aspect in this episode. I get that it hits Damon right there where he is more vulnerable, but he has to breathe, think and fight.
Stefan, OTOH, sometimes should just shut up.


I love the Stefan/Damon bond - just when you think Stefan is going to hate all over Damon, he pulls back, remembers he cares about his brother, and doesn't go off half-cocked, like another little brother we know.

That's the main difference between Stefan and Sam. Stefan was unfair to Damon in this episode (hen he told him about not being selfless for example), but he also saw the real Damon and he kinda stood up for him when he was talking to Caroline...so yeah...I haven't seen Sam doing the same lately.


I thought the saddest moment in the whole episode was when Lexie told Damon he couldn't enlist with his brother, and Stefan is waiting for Damon at the train station, and Damon stops and does what Lexie thinks is best for Stefan even though he wants so badly to be with his brother. *SOB*!!!
Yes, these boys are so screwed, yet love each otehr so much. Btw I am still one of the few who doesn't like Lexi at all.


And Damon does the same thing the minute he understands that Elena is sired to him. Despite what bitchy Caroline thinks, he immediately starts to find a way to do the right thing and break the bond - and admits to Stefan that he was wrong. The bad guy doesn't behave like that. Damon is not the bad guy. STFU Caroline!!!!!!!
He maybe was in S1, though it was more a facade worn for years, but he surealy is not now. Haven't been in quite a while actually.

TVD 4.08 review: part 1

Date: 2012-12-10 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
Lovely review Val! Oh my, this episode...all the feels! Such a great episode! :D And the gifs!!!! Squee!!

When he listened to Lexi, he actually protected his brother, stepping back. Not thinking about what he wanted, and he wanted it hard since Stefan was the only family left ("you all I have got"...rings any bell?), he just let his brother go, allowing him to build up a happy life. Damon has always loved his brother.

Oh it certainly rings some bells, that is for sure! But I'm not so sure Damon staying behind and letting Stefan go alone to war was the best thing, much less protected him. It was certainly how Lexi put it forward toward Damon, but considering she was calling him selfish left and right with no consideration for Damon's feelings or thoughts it rings false. Stefan needed his big brother as much as Damon needed his little brother. Stefan forced Damon to turn for the very reason of not losing his big brother. As S3 proved, it was Damon who was able to reach Stefan in the depths of his depravity during the Lexi plan of detox, which involved torture. Damon was able to reach Stefan by simply being his brother. And Damon himself admitted he should not have left Stefan in 1912 or let Stefan run and become the Ripper. He should have stayed with him and helped him. So, imo, Damon staying behind was a selfless act for Stefan's sake but it also kept the brothers apart and didn't allow for any further healing between them. At the time Damon still believed Katherine was trapped in the tomb, so obviously there still would have been issues down the line. BUT I wholeheartedly believe the dark Damon we saw in early S1 would not have made an appearance. Would Damon have still been a jerk and done things he shouldn't have? Probably. Not to the degree he did though because he probably wouldn't have flipped his humanity switch. Damon loves his brother, as you said, and Stefan loves him. They're brothers.

But his flashback really begs the question: what happened fifteen years ago that resulted in Damon flipping the switch and going over the deep end a bit and for Stefan view of his brother to be exasperated and deepened as much as it was?

Damon wants to do the right thing. He has done the right thing more often than he allows himself to think and let the others see. He wants Elena's feelings to be real more than anything else and it looks like he has forgotten about the witch words: A vampire only bonds to her sire when she already has feelings. Human feelings. Vampirism only heightens those emotions.

Indeed, Damon does do the right thing quite a bit, especially nowadays. It was a learning process from S1 through 2 and by S3 he was really getting the hang of it. :) As for what the witch said about the bond forming as a result of human feelings, I don't think Damon really heard her. Well, he heard it but it didn't register because how could it be true? In the S3 finale, she chose Stefan. Therefore it makes no sense to Damon, especially considering his extremely low self-worth (awfully familiar that, isn't it) and view as the selfish one that she would have strong enough feelings that she was denying, including loving Damon.

If Elena really loves Damon, and I believe she does, she's going to have to fight for him and fight hard. And I admit to very much looking forward to that. :D

tbc...

Re: TVD 4.08 review: part 1

Date: 2012-12-11 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Trust me, I don't like Lexi. I have never liked her because she was ready to judge Damon but was never really willing to help him. So what I meant was that Damon believed he was doing the best thing for his brother because he saw that with Lexi he was controlling the bloodlust. I do think Stefan has never really learnt to control it because Lexi advices weren't the right ones.

Stefan needed his big brother as much as Damon needed his little brother.
I agree. I was just saying that Damon there was unselfish, not that what he did was the best thing for Stefan.

As S3 proved, it was Damon who was able to reach Stefan in the depths of his depravity during the Lexi plan of detox, which involved torture. Damon was able to reach Stefan by simply being his brother.
THIS THIS THIS!

So, imo, Damon staying behind was a selfless act for Stefan's sake but it also kept the brothers apart and didn't allow for any further healing between them
We do agree, you just worded it better than me.

BUT I wholeheartedly believe the dark Damon we saw in early S1 would not have made an appearance. Would Damon have still been a jerk and done things he shouldn't have? Probably. Not to the degree he did though because he probably wouldn't have flipped his humanity switch. Damon loves his brother, as you said, and Stefan loves him. They're brothers.
I am crying now because you know...ALL THE FEELS! I wish I could have the same feelings for the Winchester brothers, but I don't...not for them as brothers.
I love Damon and Stefan because they keep hurting each other, but they also amend and apologize. They try to talk and fix things, to be honest and to protect each other.
I agree, as Lexi said when they just turned, being alone and the hate would have had the best of Damon and so it was.
Rejection is not something Damon deals well with because it leads straight to his self-esteem issues. He looks and looked for acceptance and hearing Lexi saying that he was any good for Stefan, might have hastened that process which turned him in S1!Damon.


Indeed, Damon does do the right thing quite a bit, especially nowadays.
Yep, but it's so hard for him to admit it.

Well, he heard it but it didn't register because how could it be true? In the S3 finale, she chose Stefan. Therefore it makes no sense to Damon, especially considering his extremely low self-worth (awfully familiar that, isn't it) and view as the selfish one that she would have strong enough feelings that she was denying, including loving Damon.
We do share a brain hon.
Anyway choosing Stefan doesn't mean that she didn't have feeling for Damon. She had them and she denied them, choosing Stefan...but what she did rationally couldn't really erase what she was feeling for Damon. I think Elena would have ended up with Damon even being human.


If Elena really loves Damon, and I believe she does, she's going to have to fight for him and fight hard. And I admit to very much looking forward to that. :D
I think she will!

TVD 4.08 review: part 2

Date: 2012-12-10 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
Stefan:
I love him. Sometimes I love to hate him, but he is interesting to see. Because he's doing stupid things, bad things, he is acting like a douche (but hey it's understandable), but he is also admitting when he is wrong (is this ever going to happen in SPN?).


Stefan is indeed a three dimensional character and even though I'm annoyed with him, I can understand his character and his viewpoint and delusions. Also I was very pleased to see Stefan admit he was wrong and apologize to his brother. What's sad though is Damon's shock at the apology. Ouch! But kudos to Stefan for taking that step, for listening to his brother and working with him despite his still poor view of Damon.

As for Sam ever getting that wake up call...I certainly hope so! At this point, I don't see how Sam can't be forced to confront his problems and piss poor treatment of Dean. But the Dean/Sam bromance has always been very different from the Damon/Stefan bromance imo. I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again: Dean and Sam have a father/son relationship that goes hand in hand with their brotherhood and that makes their bond and issues quite different from Damon and Stefan's. Also Damon and Stefan have been forced to work out their issues after a 145 years whereas Dean and Sam keep having to put them aside to deal with bigger, more pressing problems and the stuff is festering. Dean always rose above, but now he's not letting Sam off the hook like he used to and Sam is flailing at being left on the hook and unable to justify his actions. Sam doesn't rise above, he just puts it aside to fester into hate.

But back to TVD. :)

I want more Matt and less Caroline THIS!! More Matt, more Jeremy ftw!!!!

As for Bonnie, while there was not a lot of her in this episode, what we did get I liked. She was very much in best friend mode and it was wonderful to see. Hee, and I LOVED her telling Caroline not to judge. Ha, that got Caroline to shut up!

Professor Shane teaching her Expression also intrigues and worries me. I have a feeling Shane put suggestions into Bonnie's mind back when he hypnotized her that will prove extremely dangerous. That and the death of the twelve (?) Council members seems very likely to be the reason Bonnie is even able to tap into any magic at all. That is the number of deaths it took for the witch Val to tap into it according to this episode. It also makes me wonder why the dead witches and Bonnie's natural magic has withdrawn and left her vulnerable to this. Seriously, the spirits have treated Bonnie a hundred times worse than any of the vampires in her life! Also, if the magic Bonnie used to take Klaus soul and put it in Tyler's body was so dark and have great consequences, why is it other witches and warlocks have been able to do it without these repercussions? I call bull. The witches/spirits are using Bonnie like a puppet just because she's of the Bennett line. Suddenly it makes a lot more sense why Abby ran away from Mystic Falls. Not that it excuses her actions in the slightest towards her child, but it does make me wonder if Abby leaving was actually smart because it got her away from the power of the witch spirit manipulation, which seems centralized to Mystic Falls.

tbc...

Re: TVD 4.08 review: part 2

Date: 2012-12-11 09:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
What's sad though is Damon's shock at the apology. Ouch! But kudos to Stefan for taking that step, for listening to his brother and working with him despite his still poor view of Damon.
I think Stefan is learning to know Damon now. He is still torn about him, but he knows there is much more about his only brother.

But the Dean/Sam bromance has always been very different from the Damon/Stefan bromance imo.
IMO too.

I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again: Dean and Sam have a father/son relationship that goes hand in hand with their brotherhood and that makes their bond and issues quite different from Damon and Stefan's.
I agree, their rl has never been on the same level.

Also Damon and Stefan have been forced to work out their issues after a 145 years whereas Dean and Sam keep having to put them aside to deal with bigger, more pressing problems and the stuff is festering.
I don't know about it...I mean it's true Dean and Sam have fought against something big and had to put aside their issues, but also none of them was really willing to deal with their issues (Dean because he tends to close and not to open up and Sam because he runs away from his own issues). OTHO Damon and Stefan was fighting for their life too, but wanted to solve the issues. So for me it's not only about the external circumstances, it's mostly due to how the two couples of brothers decided to deal with their own issues.

Dean always rose above, but now he's not letting Sam off the hook like he used to and Sam is flailing at being left on the hook and unable to justify his actions. Sam doesn't rise above, he just puts it aside to fester into hate.

YEP!

I have a feeling Shane put suggestions into Bonnie's mind back when he hypnotized her that will prove extremely dangerous.
Good point. Scary too.

It also makes me wonder why the dead witches and Bonnie's natural magic has withdrawn and left her vulnerable to this. Seriously, the spirits have treated Bonnie a hundred times worse than any of the vampires in her life!
This has to be about the dark magic and the possible consenquences of the power the witch was hinting about.

The witches/spirits are using Bonnie like a puppet just because she's of the Bennett line.
I agree.

TVD 4.08 review: part 3

Date: 2012-12-10 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
On to your speculations! :)

So what if Damon dies and he is brought back? Is it possible that he comes back as human?

I think this is a definitely possibility, especially with the way the season has been set up. I also think its possible Damon could just be changed back into a human at some point. It would change the dynamic between him and everyone, but especially Elena, and could lead to a lot more continuing character growth and exploration and not just of Damon, but of those around him and how they would deal with it.

Jeremy's storyline also has me very intrigued. The boy who was so accepting of vampires, fell in love with one, and at one point even tried to become one has now become a witchy chosen hunter of vamps. What does this mean for his character? So far it reeks of more witch manipulation of the psyche to accomplish their goal.

And is it just me, or is the theme of the season really about free will and manipulation?

The sire bond between Damon and Elena has everyone (in the show) thinking she' basically being manipulated and taken advantage of; that her free will is not in tact.

Bonnie was alone for hours with Professor Shane, a hypnotist expert who someone convinced Pastor Young to kill himself and the rest of the town's secret council for the purpose of accessing the beyond dark magic of Expression for Bonnie to use after the spirits cut her off for no viable reason.

Jeremy and the hunter's mark and how its forcing him to attack vampires, determined to kill them; amplifying hate for them that may have been reserved for only a select few vampires. The hunter's mark is a witch thing again, and the witch spirits have no love for vampires despite being the root of their existence.

The hybrids and Tyler working with Haley to break the sire bonds with Klaus. In this very episode Kim challenged Tyler on it, about breaking the sire bond being about regaining free will. Tyler let the wolf in him out to become pack alpha and stop the wolves from running amuck and bringing Klaus down on their heads. Klaus already gave up one freed hybrid to be killed so Jeremy's hunter mark could begin. Whose to say Klaus wouldn't turned them all over to Jeremy to be killed so the hunter's mark can be completed? Klaus wants the cure for Elena after all. Whose to say whether or not they won't meet that same fate because of Professor Shane and the deal between Haley and him? Are the twelve hybrids going to be possessed by the dead council members? By some one else? Or are they a second 'sacrifice' to unleash something truly evil?

Why does it seem like Damon and Elena and the sire bond between them may not be real and they are actually operating of their own free will while the others like Bonnie and Jeremy and Caroline (in her interactions with Klaus) are being manipulated?

Which brings me to another question: how does Caroline know if she hasn't been compelled at all by Klaus? The vervain was notably blown up with the council and there is no more currently in Mystic Falls. That means everyone is vulnerable to mind manipulations via the Originals or, if you're human, any other vampire.

So yeah, color me suspicious of all this. Can't wait for the winter finale this week!

Re: TVD 4.08 review: part 3

Date: 2012-12-11 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
It would change the dynamic between him and everyone, but especially Elena, and could lead to a lot more continuing character growth and exploration and not just of Damon, but of those around him and how they would deal with it.

As much as it would be interesting to see, I am not sure I want to see it. When it happened in the books, I was not happy with it...as much as Damon misses his humanity more than anything in this world, I think Damon couldn't actually be happy without being a vampire.
Plus I can't even think about Damon dying. I know he would be brought back, but seriously I can't deal with the thought.

What does this mean for his character? So far it reeks of more witch manipulation of the psyche to accomplish their goal.
Trust me, I am so scared for Jeremy...I hope he won't be forced to make some hard choices.

And is it just me, or is the theme of the season really about free will and manipulation?
It is. You explained how it works perfectly.

Which brings me to another question: how does Caroline know if she hasn't been compelled at all by Klaus? The vervain was notably blown up with the council and there is no more currently in Mystic Falls. That means everyone is vulnerable to mind manipulations via the Originals or, if you're human, any other vampire.
I hope Caroline is not because honestly? I want her to be herself so I can slap her and be mad at her. LOL!

Talk to you next Friday about TVD!

I don

Date: 2012-12-12 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kros-21.livejournal.com
I'm really late but I just watched the episode now.

I don't understand what the big fuss about Elena having feelings from Damon from before is. See, see she liked him from before!!! So? I mean, duh, it was pretty clear that she had some feelings when she was still human. It's not like the show ever made it a mystery out of it. Those two even made out more than once. Then of course Elena always got back to Stefan because that was the safe option and she was being the selfish part of herself but still, it was pretty clear.

Anyway......

I agree with everything you said here except for the Elena part. I find her so stupid and obnoxious sometimes in her vampire!form. Like a child, "no, I want Damon now and I like him and I'm gonna stay with him" *stomps foot* no matter that she is actually fucking him now in the house where also Damon's brother aka previous love of her life lives. House where she moved to out of her own choice. I find her completely direspectful. Stefan went from a "I can make it through this change just because of you" to nothing in just one day for her. blah.


Btw flashback with Lexi

"I need my little brother"
"You need to let him go"

I had a SPN vision in my mind.....

Re: I don

Date: 2012-12-13 08:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I agree with you that is pretty obvious she had feelings for him too. Problem is that part of the fandom denies it. I guess I can't deal with fandoms anymore. LOL!

First your Lexi Part:
I wish I could have Dean and Sam where Damon and Stefan are. I have never felt the Winchesters as a relationship between equals, as it is between the Salvatores. They come from different places and from different families, so I guess it's normal their relationships are different...my take on it is biased too because I actually care about Stefan as a character, while I don't about Sam per se...and I am sad to feel like this.

About Elena, I agree with you it was rushed, anyway I don't feel I can really blame her. Her story is tragic and she is confused...they could have written her better, but I am not mad at her.

Date: 2012-12-13 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linsell-farm.livejournal.com
WORD
to absolutely everything you said about Damon. It's like you were inside my head (but expressed my thoughts better than I can, as usual ;)

I am almost as invested in the brothers' relationship as you are, sweetie. I agree that they've hit a rough patch, but the strength of their bond is holding them in good stead. I'm sure they will find a way through this and return to a better place knowing each other better and making them stronger. <3

I liked Tyler in this episode, too. He's still not my favorite among the supporting bunch, but he's growing on me.

I want more Matt as well, but am not missing Beks much.

I certainly was concerned before this aired, which only made my enjoyment of it even better. I'm very much looking forward to O Come All Ye Faithful, but may not be watching it until tomorrow evening. If I don't watch tonight, I'll be staying away from LJ until after I've seen it.

Date: 2012-12-17 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I am so worried for Damon and Stefan relationship. I know it will be good at the end, but how much will they keep to hurt each other? Voluntarily or not, they keep hurtingm yet loving each other.

I hope you got to watch 409, because there are so much in that episode that needs to be over analyzed!

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