x5vale: (bloodsharing)
[personal profile] x5vale


1accio-glow2accio-glow
3accio-glow4accio-glow
source



-Sam Winchester I seriously have no love for you. Not because you have been tracking Benny, I would do the same, but because of the total lack of emphaty for your brother. Nothing.

-"I got history with the guy"...*sighs*

-I guess I should be grateful to Sam because he gave Dean some time...and those words, things are not that easy as they seem to be, I wish he could actually talk to Dean...about everything, about how he feels because the flashbacks are pointless if he doesn't try to get back to normal. Sam is once again running away.

-AUDREY PARKER 2.0!

-Dean flirting :)

-Can I have Dean and Benny together forever?

-lol Dean's face at Benny revelation about Elizabeth :)

-I just love Ty's voice.

-"every relation I have ever had has gone to crap at some point"...and then his act of faith towards Benny and Sam nasty reaction. He was hurt and jealous, I get it, but for one second I would like him to think why his brother is saying those words. I want Sam to understand why Dean feels this way. It was painful to watch for me because I hate to see their relationship crumble. I hate to see how he and Sam are hitting a definite rough patch.

-I think they should stop with the flashbacks...tell us Sam's story and then quit, because, tbh, they start to be boring.

-I like Don :)

-Serioulsy Sam? Are you leaving like that just because you got a text message?

-Benny saved Dean's life, once again...

-I feel so sorry for Benny...and for Dean. He is so alone right now, because Dean feels like he has not Sam anymore. I love how Dean and Benny bonded and how they talk to each other, I wish Dean could do the same with his brother.

-"thanks for not giving up on me, brother"....awwwww crying all my tears. Thank you, thank you for not making Benny betray Dean.

-What the hell is up with Martin? OMG Benny is going to sacrifice himself for Elizabeth.. no, no, no....it's not Benny's fault, it's not.

-The bad guy is gone...please no, don't force him to do that...

-I can't believe they actually did this to Benny, make him suffer like that...getting him to kill again. Worst punishment ever for him. Anyway I can't blame him, because it totally was self-defense.

-"I feel all right tonight"...it won't last.

-I loved Dean's characterization. His faith in Benny is not blind. He decided to look into the case and he was ready to face the worst. Benny gained Dean's trust once again and it was so good to see them come clean to each other.
It was also good to see how Dean tried to avoid the fight with Sam. He sent him away for two reasons imo:
-because he could totally stop Martin without flinching, while it would have taken a lot more effort to stop Sam;
-because he didn't want to be forced to take sides between Sam and Benny. Since Sam's being stubborn about Benny and doesn't want to believe that he can have changed, Dean should have sided with Benny and this would have caused a even more dramatic rift between the brothers. Sending Sam away, Dean avoided all of it. It was kinda protective of Sam and of Dean himself. He'd rather face Benny and the vamps alone than having his brother fighting against him.

-Sam is not listening and everything is falling apart....I can't even with this episode. I have too many feelings. I feel so sorry for everyone...I especially feel sorry for Benny because he was forced to kill to save his own life, just 'cos a crazy obsessed man couldn't accept that he could change.
Martin's death is totally on Sam tough. He can blame Benny whenever he wants, but it's totally his fault.
Sam abondoned Kevin, didn't look for Dean, left Martin in a middle of a hunt. It's his fault. If he had stayed, Martin wouldn't have kidnapped Elizabeth and Benny would have not killed him. How is Sam (and Dean) going to live with this? I mean, is the show holding him accountable for this mistake Sam made?
I have to say the show is doing a good job in showing all the limits and the flaws Sam has, but if this is not going to lead to a charactet evolution and redemption, it would be pointless. Sam has to stop to run away, something that he has always done. Sam can't deal with rejection, can't deal with the consequences of a refusal (he leaves Amelia, he hates Benny because Dean considers him like the only person who didn't let him down). It's not enough to fall in a cage and save the world to make amend, because it's an external action. Not self developing, not looking at his own issues.
OTOH, what is Dean going to do with Sam? Given that Elizabeth told Dean the truth and he knows that Benny had no other choice, is Dean going to talk about Benny with Sam? Will he try to make his brother understand what Benny means to him? At this point, I think Benny in Dean's mind is really the only person he can trust and he can rely on because of what they lived together in Purgatory.
I think the bond they sharwe is deeper than both Sam and Castiel think it can be. Sam should stop and try to understand the reasons behind Dean's thinking and feelings.
Also, I want Dean to talk to Sam. I want Sam to talk to Dean and not acting like a two years child.





Date: 2012-12-06 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisichechka.livejournal.com
At this point i don't want Dean to talk to sam cause it's all pointless. Sam won't listen and only will endager Dean or benny or both lives.
Till sam will be able to face reality of what he did, didn't do and what he caused he's a lost cause. It's his move now. If he continue to be like a jerk he should leave, if he wants to make it up with his brother (which i doubt he wants) he has to fist admit all his faults and don't blame them on Dean. He has to admit that leaving Dean to rot and not even try to look for him was BAD no matter what whitewash the show will feed us with. Sam has to admit he was wrong and right now i think it's impossible for sam to do.

I feel for Dean and i feel for Benny and i'd be happy if they could drive away to hunt together leaving sam to amelia or what's her name is. But with this show Dean is forced to stay with his asshole of a brother and it's tragic.

Date: 2012-12-12 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
I want Dean to try to explain his feelings and his reasons, not because I think Sam might actually listen, but because imo it would be better for Dean.

I don't think Sam's biggest issue right now is making up with his brother. If he doesn't stop to lie to himself, he can't do anything good. Sam must face his own issues first, than dealing with everything else.

Date: 2012-12-18 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisichechka.livejournal.com
Agree about sam but imo his issues with Dean is a part of his lie to himself so it's all connected.
As for Dean i can see your point but imo again, what's the point for Dean to voice his reasons if sam won't listen and won't hear him? It'll be another slap in Dean's cheek. And Dean doesn't express things like that to himself cause he knows what happened and he was right, the whole point of that conversation would be if sam would listen otherwise there's no point.

Date: 2012-12-06 04:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-06 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ann-tara.livejournal.com
I have to slowly go back and respond to your past posts - I've been terribly neglectful! Or maybe I'll just wait until tonight's TVD episode to talk about our fav vamps in general (sire bond my fat ass!). ;)

But speaking of fav vamps, big relief on this front that Benny survived. Still, I fear we are not out of the woods yet, but I hope and pray his relationship with Dean is undamaged, as Dean seemed to get that Martin deserved to be put down like the clearly deranged and rabid dog he had become. Besides, Martin's death is 100% on Sam who through his petty jealousy, and, what?, anger that Benny saved Dean?, put Martin in that position in the first place.

Either Carver really hates Sam - and I get it, believe me - or there is a disturbing disconnect in the writer's room between what they think they're saying about Sam, and what is actually coming through on screen. Or could it be that Carver simply thinks it's 8 years overdue that Sam finally be called on and have to own his own shit, and grow the hell up? I seriously hope it's at least the latter, otherwise I have no idea why Dean is sticking with this asshole anymore since we see here that he clearly doesn't trust him and had already put fail-safes in place in case they were needed. And Dean was right to do that.

And, wow, could the chemistry between Dean and Lizzy make it anymore clear that the Sam/Amelia thing is a dead dud? Not that I don't think they both deserve each other, because I do - but that's not meant to be a compliment.

Excellent storytelling where it concerns Dean, Benny, Lizzy, and Martin. But the Samelia crap just doesn't fit and certainly doesn't make Sam more likable.

Date: 2012-12-06 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thelocation.livejournal.com
This post makes me sad :(
I'm barely around anymore but when I do get the time to read reviews, everything is so negative, with the fandom splitting into two sides, even moreso than before.
I think the magic's gone from the show.
Edited Date: 2012-12-06 08:31 pm (UTC)

SPN 8x09 review part 1

Date: 2012-12-07 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
Great post, Val! I very much agree.

I have a lot to say about this episode...*takes a deep breath* It may be a bit ranty and I apologize in advance. This episode just really pushed me over the edge.

Let's get the worst out of the way: Sam Winchester. I can't even...the douchery and sheer stupidity and selfishness he displayed was beyond words. Let me say, he did have some moments where I could almost identify and see where he was coming from but they very quickly dissolved as he proved to be a first class jerk who needs his butt kicked. One being the initial giving of Dean some time to track down Benny and talk with him/confront him. The problem was Martin whose very presence aggravated an already tense situation. Sam should have gone with Dean to confront Benny, to see and hear the truth for himself but because of unstable Martin, who Sam foolishly called in to track Benny, he couldn't because he had to stay and keep Martin in check.

Speaking of Martin, Sam sending him off on this 'tracking' job only a month after being released from a mental institute was beyond stupid. Did he even bother to find out why Martin was released? Did Sam not remember that Martin checked himself into the mental institute back in S5 or that he had been in the institute for what, four or five years now??? Years, not months or weeks, but years! Martin could very well have been kicked out because his insurance ran out! And depending on how severe his instability was, he could have been turned loose with strict instructions to take meds regularly and check-ups with a doctor. But we don't know because Sam didn't know or bother to ask!! *headdesk*

Its not that I can't understand Sam's caution about Benny or wanting to keep an eye on him. Not at all. I understand the wariness and agree that is natural considering. The problem is he knows absolutely nothing about Benny because he won't listen to Dean without that pissy expression on his face. Worse, he's not interested and has not asked Dean any questions about Benny like how they met, HOW Benny saved Dean or why his brother came to trust a vampire when Dean is the last person one would expect to have such a tie. And Sam has expressed empathy for what Dean went through only once and that was in the 8.07 when Castiel came back. And it sure seems like Sam had made his point and gotten Dean back under his thumb after his awful rant at the end of 8.06 when he threatened Dean that he just might be that hunter who kills Benny and that was why he was acting decent for once in that episode and sort of in 8.08 when Castiel was hunting with them. Because this episode...good golly! That's not even addressing the blinding hypocrisy going on. What about Lenore and her veggie vamp nest Sam? Have you forgotten about them and how you argued for them? Or what about Dean taking what happened at the nest with Gordon to heart and also keeping Sam off the radar so other hunters wouldn't hurt Sam for his perceived monster status due to the demon blood in him??? No Dean does not instinctively trust monsters or demons, but he is reluctantly willing to work with them when he has no other choice--just look at Meg from last season! And Meg personally killed many of their friends, possessed Sam even, but they worked with her. And as I seem to recall, Sam didn't have too much to offer in way of protest to that considering who they were up against (the Leviathan). Just saying.

tbc...

Re: SPN 8x09 review part 1

Date: 2012-12-10 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Let me say, he did have some moments where I could almost identify and see where he was coming from but they very quickly dissolved as he proved to be a first class jerk who needs his butt kicked.
Sad but true.

Sam should have gone with Dean to confront Benny, to see and hear the truth for himself but because of unstable Martin, who Sam foolishly called in to track Benny, he couldn't because he had to stay and keep Martin in check.
I agree. Sam should have never called Martin to track Benny down in the first place. Of all the hunters, not a nutcase.

Did he even bother to find out why Martin was released? Did Sam not remember that Martin checked himself into the mental institute back in S5 or that he had been in the institute for what, four or five years now???
THIS! It was stupid, to say the least.

Its not that I can't understand Sam's caution about Benny or wanting to keep an eye on him. Not at all. I understand the wariness and agree that is natural considering. The problem is he knows absolutely nothing about Benny because he won't listen to Dean without that pissy expression on his face.
this! I understand that he doesn't trust Benny (but he was the one to trust Leonore), but he has even tried to listen to Dean, to reason with him. I know his fans would say that Dean wouldn't have listened and would have stepped up to defend Benny, but I don't buy this. Too easy to. It's Dean who was in Purgatory fighting, while Sammy was living a love story.
And is he the one who has issues? I don't even want to go down this route, but tbh, I can't handle this Sam.

. And Sam has expressed empathy for what Dean went through only once and that was in the 8.07 when Castiel came back. And it sure seems like Sam had made his point and gotten Dean back under his thumb after his awful rant at the end of 8.06 when he threatened Dean that he just might be that hunter who kills Benny and that was why he was acting decent for once in that episode and sort of in 8.08 when Castiel was hunting with them.
Amen.

And yes to everything yous said about Sam.




SPN 8x09 review part 2

Date: 2012-12-07 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
The only other instance I had a slight twinge of sympathy for Sam was when Dean made a point of saying Benny hasn't betrayed him yet or lied to him. That has to be hard to hear. And its not nice, but I can understand why Dean said it and was making a point about it. Dean does not trust Sam like he used to. That trust was broken and has never, ever been earned back completely. In fact what little progress it makes usually gets destroyed by something at some point and it has been pretty consistently broken by Sam, excuses not withstanding. Elena actually said something to that effect to Stefan back in early Season 3 I believe: trust is earned and cannot just be handed over. Sadly, Sam cannot hear it, does not understand it or realize that is the point Dean is trying to make as he is blinded by jealousy and anger towards Benny. And Sam reaction to Dean's statement just took the little sympathy I had and sucked it away.

But what's worse is that Sam left his brother after Martin knocked him out, rather brutally I might add, handcuffed to the heater. He then continued to work with unstable Martin to the point of finding Benny's campsite and where the second body was buried and then just up and abandoned him over a friggin text from Amelia. He stole Martin's car and left him stranded without telling him where he was going or why. He didn't call Dean and tell him something may have endangered Amelia and he was heading to Texas to help/check on her. He just ran with no thought to anyone else involved in the hunt. The sheer irresponsibility and selfishness of these actions is staggering. Does Sam really think Dean wouldn't have gone with him, supported him in checking to make sure Amelia was all right since she texted him out of the blue with a cry for help? Of course he would have!

Except...Dean knew exactly what Sam would do. He had prepared a contingency to get Sam away from Benny (for all their sakes I might add) so Dean could deal with Benny without any unnecessary loss of life after Sam made that threat. It also kept Sam safe from triggering the wrath of a vampire who spent the better part of FIFTY years fighting. So he sent Sam the text call for help and Sam did exactly what Dean knew he would do: run away.

Was it cold? Heck yeah! But to be honest I have little sympathy for Sam because he is directly responsible for an unstable man attacking an innocent woman and hurting her to bait an innocent vampire. A vampire who has been back in the world for only a couple months at most after fifty years fighting in Purgatory where he had no hunger or anything like that to deal with. A vampire who killed the hunter who, from my perspective, was more of a monster than Benny himself, and put Benny in a terrible situation because he triggered the blood lust which was no doubt only made stronger by Martin threatening Benny's only living family outside the brotherhood he has with Dean.

Then Sam finished it all off by not listening to Dean tell him what happened and the true reason Martin was dead. Though I did notice Dean told Sam it was done and said nothing about actually killing Benny or anything. Sam just assumed and was being a jerk considering what happened was entirely HIS FAULT!



tbc...

Re: SPN 8x09 review part 2

Date: 2012-12-10 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
That has to be hard to hear. And its not nice, but I can understand why Dean said it and was making a point about it.
It was hurt, but it's probably the first time that Dean doesn't bottle everything up so yes, he did hurt Sam, but it was very much needed. For Dean, because he has to stand up for himself and for Sam, because he can live in a bubble thinking that everything he does, it's acceptable for his brother.

Dean does not trust Sam like he used to. That trust was broken and has never, ever been earned back completely.
After S4 debacle, Dean tried harrd to trust Sam again, then S6 happened and things went downhill again. in S/ their issues weren't addressed because Gamble was picturing Sam as some kind of perfect boy, whose falults had been forgiven and forgotten.
That's why I prefer the Salvatores bond. Stefan might act like a douche, but he admits when he is wrong (I smile when TVD/damon fans say that he doesn't, because come on you should look at Sam Winchester) and he shows how much he loves his brother---I am curious to know your thoughts about the last episode and some ideas I wrote down. No hurry though :))

Elena actually said something to that effect to Stefan back in early Season 3 I believe: trust is earned and cannot just be handed over.
LOL! I just made a TVD parallel and you wrote this!

Sadly, Sam cannot hear it, does not understand it or realize that is the point Dean is trying to make as he is blinded by jealousy and anger towards Benny. And Sam reaction to Dean's statement just took the little sympathy I had and sucked it away.
The whole point is that Sam takes Dean for granted.

He then continued to work with unstable Martin to the point of finding Benny's campsite and where the second body was buried and then just up and abandoned him over a friggin text from Amelia.
I can even deal with Sam letting his brother handcuffed (if I don't consider the fact that Sam doesn't trust Dean at all) but I can't with him leaving Martin all alone. Benny could have killed him 10 times. Martin didn't have any chance with him. How could Sam not see it? Something that Dean have warned him about?

Except...Dean knew exactly what Sam would do. He had prepared a contingency to get Sam away from Benny (for all their sakes I might add) so Dean could deal with Benny without any unnecessary loss of life after Sam made that threat. It also kept Sam safe from triggering the wrath of a vampire who spent the better part of FIFTY years fighting./i>
I do think Dean protected all of them. He protected Benny from Sam, Sam from Benny and himself from an impossible choice.
Given how Sam was behaving, he didn't have any choice.

A vampire who killed the hunter who, from my perspective, was more of a monster than Benny himself, and put Benny in a terrible situation because he triggered the blood lust which was no doubt only made stronger by Martin threatening Benny's only living family outside the brotherhood he has with Dean.
I was so so so sorry for Benny. That was cruel to do to Benny.


SPN 8x09 review part 3

Date: 2012-12-07 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
Now for Dean. Dean, I though, handled everything overall with a decided maturity and calm despite what was happening. He agreed to look into the dead body in Louisiana and made a point of checking all the facts and speaking with Benny about what happened. The one point where Dean lost his temper a bit was in the motel room where he was arguing with Sam and Martin to at least look for the other vampire and leave Benny alone so they could prove it either way. Martin was really the one who pushed Dean in that scene though. Sam pushed him over the edge with his cool 'you're too close to this' BS. Every single one of them in that room was too close to the situation. Martin due to being mental unstable to begin with and turned on to Benny's scent fully expecting to have to kill the vampire at some point. Sam due to being so jealous, angry, and hating Benny too much to even really grant him or Dean any benefit of the doubt because of what his brother and the vampire went through in Purgatory together. Dean because he actually knew the vampire in question and has a personal friendship with him. Funny how Dean was the most objective overall and kept his head the whole time though.The man was cool and collected enough to have a contingency in place to get Sam away from Benny and also to approach Benny armed with a machete and asking for the truth. Dean was also able to work with Benny to stop the real killer while Sam was running away and Martin was planning a trap involving an innocent civilian as bait. Too close? Ha! He may be too close, but Dean is aware of the dangers Benny presents as a vampire and what could happen.

So did Dean makes some bad decisions and say some things he should have? Sure, he definitely had a few moments where his temper got the best of him with Sam and was a bit cruel. But I don't personally think he made any decisions that were bad per se. Getting Sam away from Benny was necessary. And like I said before, Dean can predict Sam actions and choices pretty damn well, all things considered. Right down to running away mid-hunt and leaving things in a bad way.

And Benny, oh my poor Benny! Like you, I feel so sorry for him and what he lost because of Sam and Martin interfering with his life. I can only hope he knows and understands that Dean never wanted any of that to happen and actually took measures to protect Benny and Sam from each other. And how much can I say I adore your gif Val? Oh Dean! Oh Benny! *cries* But what I loved most about that scene was Benny once again calling Dean 'brother' and them shaking hands, parting ways yet again as friends. *heart breaks*

On a happier note, I really, really liked Benny's great granddaughter Elizabeth. She was sweet and fun and an innocent who didn't deserve what happened to her or to witness what happened in front of her. Also? Her connection with Dean in just a couple scenes was fantastic. From the fun flirting and the way they talked as Dean asked about Benny aka Roy to Dean arrving back at the gumbo cafe and his gentle comfort. I love how he pulled out a kerchief for Liz to use, how he spoke calmly to her even though he was evidently worried. But best of all, I LOVED how he squeezed her shoulder as he walked past her and up the steps. There was just something about that small gesture of comfort that struck me. Finally, I agree with ann_tara that the chemistry between Dean and Elizabeth put all of the Sam and Amelia scenes to shame.

Guess I have to talk about that now. The one flashback I liked was the one with Don. Don was honest and up front with Sam about understanding how Sam and Amelia came together, but also that it very much hurt him deeply. But I really loved how he put the ball squarely in Amelia's court for what to do because Don was her husband but he was more importantly an honorable man.

tbc...

Re: SPN 8x09 review part 3

Date: 2012-12-10 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Dean, I though, handled everything overall with a decided maturity and calm despite what was happening.
It was. Dean was totally in control of his own emotions. What saddends me the most though is that you could feel his resignation to the fact that right now, he is alone. He feels alone.

Martin was really the one who pushed Dean in that scene though. Sam pushed him over the edge with his cool 'you're too close to this' BS. Every single one of them in that room was too close to the situation.
For different reasons, they all were.

Funny how Dean was the most objective overall and kept his head the whole time though.The man was cool and collected enough to have a contingency in place to get Sam away from Benny and also to approach Benny armed with a machete and asking for the truth.
It's Dean. He knows what to do and most likely he is hardly wrong.

And Benny, oh my poor Benny! Like you, I feel so sorry for him and what he lost because of Sam and Martin interfering with his life. I can only hope he knows and understands that Dean never wanted any of that to happen and actually took measures to protect Benny and Sam from each other.
I am prettu sure that Benny knows Dean cares and just wanted to help him, without judging.

And how much can I say I adore your gif Val? Oh Dean! Oh Benny! *cries* But what I loved most about that scene was Benny once again calling Dean 'brother' and them shaking hands, parting ways yet again as friends. *heart breaks*
So many feelings!

I love how he pulled out a kerchief for Liz to use, how he spoke calmly to her even though he was evidently worried. But best of all, I LOVED how he squeezed her shoulder as he walked past her and up the steps. There was just something about that small gesture of comfort that struck me.
Dean knows that tender loving care in some moments is way more important thann anything else.

Finally, I agree with ann_tara that the chemistry between Dean and Elizabeth put all of the Sam and Amelia scenes to shame.

Don was honest and up front with Sam about understanding how Sam and Amelia came together, but also that it very much hurt him deeply. But I really loved how he put the ball squarely in Amelia's court for what to do because Don was her husband but he was more importantly an honorable man.
That's why I really liked Don...and guess what? Sam ran away...

SPN 8x09 review part 4

Date: 2012-12-07 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roselani24.livejournal.com
And Sam? Sam didn't let Amelia make her decision. He packed up and ran, again. Despite finding something he had "never had, in his whole life" (8.01) he ditched it because he was too afraid to let Amelia decide what she wanted. And honestly? Judging by their morning talk on the back porch, I'm pretty sure Amelia would have picked Sam over Don. So Sam basically threw away his 'happy' life by his own choice and turned tail and ran for no reason other than his own insecurities.

And for some odd reason, this insecurity of 'not being chosen' even though Dean has, up until this season anyway, always chosen Sam and stuck with Sam through everything, is rearing its ugly head and Sam is not listening to anything Dean is saying or even comprehending what hell the war zone Dean just lived and came back from was. Though I say Dean hasn't chosen Sam, actually he has. But he's also not letting Sam dictate his choice of friends either.

Overall, Sam is a selfish jerk and really needs to be confronted with his faults and feel some shame and actually grow up. Dean needs to let go of all the guilt and responsibility and find himself (much like Elena in that way) and if Sam wants to go, let him go. Dean needs to work through his problems with Sam--forgive him so DEAN can be at peace and then let go and let Sam make his own choice. Whatever that choice is, the consequences be on Sam's head alone and not Dean's. Benny needs someone to help keep him in check, to simply be by his side. I vote Dean but eh, I have a feeling that won't happen.

So yeah, those are my thoughts. New Vampire Diaries tonight! :)

Re: SPN 8x09 review part 4

Date: 2012-12-10 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Despite finding something he had "never had, in his whole life" (8.01) he ditched it because he was too afraid to let Amelia decide what she wanted. And honestly? Judging by their morning talk on the back porch, I'm pretty sure Amelia would have picked Sam over Don. So Sam basically threw away his 'happy' life by his own choice and turned tail and ran for no reason other than his own insecurities.

THIS! All of this!

I vote Dean but eh, I have a feeling that won't happen.
*cries*

So yeah, those are my thoughts. New Vampire Diaries tonight! :)
Loved it in a way I didn't think :)

Date: 2012-12-07 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kros-21.livejournal.com
I kinda agree on your explanations on why Dean sent Sam away. Well, not kinda, I agree. Still think it was a bit of a jerky move though. But I guess Dean can't really knows what Amelia means for Sam or what happened because they have never talked about it.
I think Dean deserved Sam hanging up on him at the end. At least that. Sam maybe didn't mean it like that but for me it's just a little pay back for the dirty trick.

Awesome seeing how Dean trusts his friends and how no one is really guilty until the contrary is proven. I do understand his need to protect Benny and their friendship.
Once again though, there is a communication problem here. Because how can Sam really understand their bond if the brothers have never really talked about it? Sam will always put the "vampire" thing first.

It's not enough to fall in a cage and save the world to make amend, because it's an external action
woah woah woah. I don't know what you mean with external action here but you put "full in a cage" (in hell I would add together with Lucifer) and "save the world" with "NOT ENOUGH" in the same sentence. Are you kidding me?! If you don't make amend like that, nothing is gonna cut it. For me when Sam jumped into the cage he amended all the mistakes he made up until then. If then we wanna say that since he got back he made other mistakes then okay, I agree. But seriously Vale, don't exaggerate. it sounds like Sam has never done any good.

And anyway, I'm almost happy there is the hiatus here. SPN now is one episode about Benny/Dean, one episode about Castiel/Dean. And Sam is the bad boy guest star. Well, I'm not gonna like it until the end.

Date: 2012-12-10 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x5vale.livejournal.com
Still think it was a bit of a jerky move though. But I guess Dean can't really knows what Amelia means for Sam or what happened because they have never talked about it.
This is the whole point. They are not talking, but, tbh, I can't blame Dean. Sam has buit up walls and whenever Dean wanted to talk, he just quitted. Dean doesn't know anything about Amelia as much as Sam doesn't know anything about Benny.
Dean did something questionable, I agree, but, given the circumstances, he dind't really have a choice.

Awesome seeing how Dean trusts his friends and how no one is really guilty until the contrary is proven. I do understand his need to protect Benny and their friendship.
Dean is always like that.


Once again though, there is a communication problem here. Because how can Sam really understand their bond if the brothers have never really talked about it? Sam will always put the "vampire" thing first.
I think I have already answered to this :)

I don't know what you mean with external action
I meant that we didn't have the chance to see a real character evolution after what happened because at first we got soulless!Sam and then a Sam who stated that he had payed for his faults and was ok with himself, which clearly is a lie. Otherwise he wouldn't keep running away.

If you don't make amend like that, nothing is gonna cut it.
He could have made amend to the external world, which he did, but he never dealt with his own issues. Probably I didn't express myself clearly.

But seriously Vale, don't exaggerate. it sounds like Sam has never done any good.
Never said it.

And anyway, I'm almost happy there is the hiatus here. SPN now is one episode about Benny/Dean, one episode about Castiel/Dean. And Sam is the bad boy guest star. Well, I'm not gonna like it until the end.
Trust me, I don't like it either but this is what the writers have been doing for him for years. This is canon. If it leads to Sam admitting he has issues and he is not able to deal with them, it will be good storytelling, otherwise making him so unlikeable will be pointless.

I hope I made myself clear, otherwise I'm willing to explain everything better.
Edited Date: 2012-12-10 01:17 pm (UTC)

Profile

x5vale: (Default)
x5vale

January 2013

S M T W T F S
  1 2345
6 789101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728293031  

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated Sep. 25th, 2017 01:34 pm
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios